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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#52476: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:30:39 PM

I like that Danny didn't answer when asked whether or not he thought he could beat Bruce Lee.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52478: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:36:59 PM

Okay, Loki (move this over from the Netflix threat)....

I have three theories concerning The Avengers. Theory one is that he wanted to loose, in order to escape Thanos. Theory two is that he was playing some sort of Xanathos Gambit, throwing the dice and testing the Avengers. Should they loose, he would have fulfilled his duty and gotten earth, should they win he would automatically end up in their protection. But I actually like theory three the best, which is that he was under the influence from Thanos until "puny Hulk" literally knocked it out of him.

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#52479: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:39:28 PM

[up][up]Wait they're trying to make a Venom movie unrelated to Spider-Man?

What.

Wouldn't that be kind of like trying to make a Bizarro movie unrelated to Superman?

edited 4th Mar '16 2:40:03 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52480: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:42:58 PM

May I mention that I really dig the most recent promo art for Civil War? I especially love the one with the flag dissolving in the background, and the one with the freedom writing on it.

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#52481: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:51:11 PM

But I actually like theory three the best, which is that he was under the influence from Thanos until "puny Hulk" literally knocked it out of him.

Yeah, that's my interpretation too. I'm not fond of the fan-theories where Loki secretly won all along and his defeat was all part of his master plan; those strike me as fans reframing the narrative for character shilling. Whether he was psychologically broken or under the influence of the Mind Gem himself, his behavior in Avengers strongly suggests he wasn't in his right mind.

I'm hestitant to attribute it to the Mind Gem, however, due to the way he defends his actions against Odin in Thor The Dark World. Instead of, "I was being controlled by an Infinity Gem, it wasn't my fault!" Loki instead falls back on a flippant, "I really don't see what the fuss is about. I went down to Midgard to rule the people of Earth as a benevolent God. Just like you."

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#52482: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:51:20 PM

[up][up][up]It seems pretty stupid but I'm not sure what they mean by "separate" in this context. I can't imagine they'd do a spin-off of Spider-Man and then make it so it has absolutely nothing to do with the character whatsoever.

edited 4th Mar '16 2:51:49 PM by comicwriter

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#52483: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:53:23 PM

Because they want to dissociate it from the MCU, where Spider-Man's currently sitting.

Maybe they're still trying to get their own shared universe franchise up and running. Maybe they were going to do it in the MCU and Marvel said no, that's stupid, it's too early for Venom. Either way, it's not supposed to be an MCU film so they're making it into an entity of its own.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#52484: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:54:10 PM

It would present difficulties but I could see a Flash Thompson Venom separate from Spider-Man (although a lot of the character's "gravitas" comes from his ties to Spidey/Peter). I mean basically, you have this veteran with a dark past who cleaned himself up and then lost his legs in combat. Then a mysterious group comes along and offers him the possibility of walking again and becoming a secret agent.

So like Avatar (the James Cameron one) meets Deadpool.

And if you're talking about Flash's more recent Space Knight stuff, he's like a badass Green Lantern.

edited 4th Mar '16 2:56:18 PM by Hodor2

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52485: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:55:59 PM

[up][up]The article just says it's "apart from and unrelated to Spider-Man" not that it's definitely not in the MCU or won't be.

edited 4th Mar '16 2:56:45 PM by comicwriter

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#52486: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:56:04 PM

I'm excited for this because it means we might get Carnage on the big screen.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#52487: Mar 4th 2016 at 2:59:43 PM

I will say that I think the idea of having Eddie Brock as an anti-hero Venom and the protagonist is not a great one.

Because you're basically talking about giving the Punisher superpowers (taking away the underdog aspect) and the making him even more violent and self-righteous.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52488: Mar 4th 2016 at 3:11:55 PM

[up]It's the same problem I had with them putting all their eggs in the Sinister Six basket last time.

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#52489: Mar 4th 2016 at 3:12:18 PM

So outside of the street level heroes we're already getting on Netflix and in the movies, what other ones are there that Marvel could hasn't used yet? Moon Knight and White Tiger come to mind.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52490: Mar 4th 2016 at 3:16:43 PM

More or less the whole "second generation" of heroes (Miss Marvel, Miles Morales, Amadeus Cho aso), still Cloak and Dagger, She-Hulk and Squirrel Girl - otherwise I need to consult my lexicon. I have marked a few somewhat obscure but potentially interesting ones.

And then there is the whole greek Pantheon and the whole Arthurian based heroes. Though I am not quite sure how Marvel would explain them....

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#52491: Mar 4th 2016 at 3:20:04 PM

"More aliens"
"Damn, Earth is lousy with them"

Hercules road-trip movie would be great.

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#52492: Mar 4th 2016 at 3:23:26 PM

I think Loki was at least somewhat influenced by the Mind Stone, what with all that talk of his mind being opened and stuff.

Not brainwashed and totally removed from himself the same way Hawkeye and Selvig were, just like hearing voices in his head telling him to work toward Thanos's goals and remain obedient. Being subtley steered around and believing it to be his own thoughts.

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#52493: Mar 4th 2016 at 3:27:37 PM

Loki's eyes were a different color in The Avengers than they were in either of the Thor movies, there was something going on with him.

Anyways, what Arthurian heroes are there?

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dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#52494: Mar 4th 2016 at 3:36:30 PM

One thing I wonder is: The side chosen of Loki in upcoming movies.

His personality is so inconsistent that it is impossible to predict.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52495: Mar 4th 2016 at 3:39:45 PM

So outside of the street level heroes we're already getting on Netflix and in the movies, what other ones are there that Marvel could hasn't used yet? Moon Knight and White Tiger come to mind.

The New Warriors maybe?

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#52496: Mar 4th 2016 at 3:40:43 PM

I don't know how to feel about this news because I want there to be an Agent Venom movie in the MCU at some point, and I don't think that Sony is going to be making that movie. If anything, it being from Sony gives them less possibilities.

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#52497: Mar 4th 2016 at 3:43:44 PM

Loki's eyes were a different color in The Avengers than they were in either of the Thor movies, there was something going on with him.

They weren't.

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#52498: Mar 4th 2016 at 3:59:17 PM

@Loki's side in Infinity War

He'll probably be filling in for Mephisto, so I'm betting his role is to be the Starscream to Thanos

@New Warriors

I have barely an idea of who those guys are outside of Nova and Speedball. Can you fill me in on some of them?

@Loki's Eye Color

I'm not referring to when he gets beaten by Hulk. I could be wrong, but in The Avengers he seemed to have brighter eyes than in Thor.

@Arthurian Heroes

I still don't know of any examples from the comics.

edited 4th Mar '16 4:03:37 PM by AdricDePsycho

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#52499: Mar 4th 2016 at 4:02:16 PM

@Swanpride

There's also Runaways and Young Avengers. The former in particularly would make for a good standalone and was apparently close to getting made before the MCU happened.

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