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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52401: Mar 3rd 2016 at 2:22:06 PM

[up]I would prefer Cloak and Dagger on the big screen.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#52402: Mar 3rd 2016 at 2:22:27 PM

Frank Miller needs to go the fuck away.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#52403: Mar 3rd 2016 at 2:24:54 PM

[up][up]why that medium?

Personally I think they will benefit more from having the Netflix characters as neighbours.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52404: Mar 3rd 2016 at 2:28:53 PM

[up]I don't think that the light daggers and the thing with the cloak will look convincing on a TV budget. Also, I simply like the idea that they do a literally "Cloak and Dagger" movie with them.

Marvel has considered both...2006 they were part of a movie deal with Paramount, and 2011 they considered a TV show on ABC. I think the movies would work better. They are a little bit too gritty for the squeaky clean ABC verse and a little bit too expensive for Netflix. In the movies, they could get away with pushing the envelope a little bit without making it outright r-rated.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#52405: Mar 3rd 2016 at 2:36:06 PM

Choosing between Netflix and movies does mean comprising either effects or tone.

The light daggers and the cloak are a pretty easy effect, but the hell dimension inside the cloak would have to be remained if they went to Netflix.

If you have them in the movies you get to cross them over with Stephan Strange though.

Do we know if Agents of Nothing and the Netflix series are going to possibly cross over at some point?

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#52406: Mar 3rd 2016 at 2:36:33 PM

@higherbrainpattern: I don't like Frank Miller, but literally all he said was: (paraphrased) "Had nothing to do with this show, wasn't credited, don't really feel like watching it or BvS either."

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edited 3rd Mar '16 2:37:15 PM by Tuckerscreator

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#52407: Mar 3rd 2016 at 2:40:44 PM

I think Ghost Rider could probably get away with a really dark PG-13 movie depending on what they film, but I basically agree with Gaon that he stands in a really shitty in-between place of being too dark and oppressive for the mainstream MCU but too expensive for the gritty Netflix verse which he would be far better suited for.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52408: Mar 3rd 2016 at 2:51:49 PM

[up][up][up] That is another reason to put them on the big screen. Doctor Strange is supposed to open up the Mystical realm of Marvel, it would be cool to have some other characters to explore it. Cloak and Dagger are a good choice, because they are kind of mystical, but in a way which still fits into the MCU.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#52409: Mar 3rd 2016 at 2:52:57 PM

Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider might be a problem, but I think they could do a decent Pragmatic Adaptation of ANGR without going over budget. Most of the conflict is internal or with other humans, and his Ghost Rider appearance is a lot more mechanical in appearance so it's less reliant on CG.

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#52410: Mar 3rd 2016 at 3:01:31 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing Robbie.

edited 3rd Mar '16 3:01:48 PM by wehrmacht

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#52411: Mar 3rd 2016 at 3:04:30 PM

Right now I think the probable best idea would be working Ghost Rider into Doc Strange for a cameo or supporting character and see where we could go from there if the character is popular enough. Something like Doctor Strange accidentally crossing paths with Ghost Rider during some interdimensional travelling or somesuch.

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#52412: Mar 3rd 2016 at 3:15:48 PM

A ghost riderxdoctor strange movie would be awesome imo.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52414: Mar 3rd 2016 at 3:19:42 PM

Throw in Daimon Hellstrom and we're set.

AoS is getting a fourth season.[nja]

edited 3rd Mar '16 3:19:50 PM by LordofLore

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52415: Mar 3rd 2016 at 3:22:59 PM

Not exactly news, but good all the same.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#52416: Mar 3rd 2016 at 3:24:42 PM

What exactly do Ghost Rider and Blade do most of the time in the comics, anyways? They seem kinda underused compared to some of the street vigilantes.

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#52417: Mar 3rd 2016 at 3:27:13 PM

Only if Nicolas Cage plays Ghost Rider again. He actually really does have the acting chops (watch The Croods if you don't believe me), he just needs to not dick around and take the role seriously.

edited 3rd Mar '16 3:34:22 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#52418: Mar 3rd 2016 at 3:34:25 PM

They need to give him a good script so that he won't dick around. The thing with Cage is that if he's in a really shitty movie, he'll either be dull as driftwood (which is rare) or overact like a motherfucking boss (which is common).

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#52419: Mar 3rd 2016 at 3:35:49 PM

[up]Definitely.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52420: Mar 3rd 2016 at 4:19:21 PM

Strange is at CERN.

Please for the love of god don't explain away magic as science by another name.

edited 3rd Mar '16 4:19:41 PM by LordofLore

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#52421: Mar 3rd 2016 at 4:29:04 PM

Seriously, what do Blade and Ghost Rider even do in the comics? They always seem to be in their own separate corner of the Marvel universe.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#52422: Mar 3rd 2016 at 4:57:35 PM

[up] They fight against supernatural threats. Blade mainly fights against vampires, while Ghost Rider fights against ghosts and demons.

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#52423: Mar 3rd 2016 at 5:05:44 PM

So how often do they cross over with the street heroes? It feels like they barely use Blade in the comics anymore.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#52424: Mar 3rd 2016 at 5:38:50 PM

I read a few Ghost Rider comics but I think they mostly stick to the mystical side. Doctor Strange has shown up in a few stories IIRC, so him being a cameo in a doctor strange movie is actually plausible.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#52425: Mar 3rd 2016 at 5:40:07 PM

Blackheart started as a Daredevil villain, right?

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