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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52201: Feb 27th 2016 at 9:20:32 AM

IIRC Marvel didn't like that he wanted to focus on both Stephen and Clea after writing 1602. They said no to his and del Toro's ideas for a movie so they both moved on to non-Marvel movie projects.

edited 27th Feb '16 9:23:31 AM by LordofLore

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#52202: Feb 27th 2016 at 9:42:23 AM

Yeah.

"X wants to write Y Marvel movie" has to mesh with "Marvel wants X to write Y movie" in order for a job offer to happen. They're a film studio, not an advanced scriptwriting class.

edited 27th Feb '16 9:43:07 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52203: Feb 27th 2016 at 10:37:52 AM

I know that a lot of people complain that the directors don't have more creative freedom, but I am glad about it. The MCU is a cinematic serial - emphasis on serial. They need directors who embrace the concept and are able to built up on what is already there as well as building towards the next big thing, not directors who want to do their own personal pet project. Imho Wright leaving Ant-man was a good thing because otherwise, we wouldn't have gotten a Wasp or the chance that Janet will be back one day. Ava D. not doing Black Panther and instead giving the franchise into the hands of a director who has already shown that he can work within a franchise while still doing something which stands out was a good decision which hopefully pans out. Warner Bros supposedly wants to do it differently (I believe it when I see it), so I guess we will soon see if a cinematic universe can work if every director has his creative freedom unlimited by a bigger plan.

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#52204: Feb 27th 2016 at 10:45:02 AM

I don't think it's impossible for a director to have creative freedom while still working under the parameters of a cinematic universe either. James Gunn was able to imprint his own mark on Guardians of the Galaxy, as was Joss Whedon in The Avengers, Kenneth Branagh's fondness of Shakespeare bled through Thor, and Joe Johnston's work with camp and pulp (like the Rocketeer) is absolutely everywhere in The First Avenger.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52205: Feb 27th 2016 at 10:59:07 AM

[up] There you have my agreement. For me the question is always "does the director want to make a movie about the heroes while adding his own little touches" (that would be what happens in the MCU), or "does the director want to make his movie, using the hero as a vehicle for his ideas". That would be the Nolan Trilogy. Which mostly worked, no question. But there are a number of examples where it really didn't work.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52206: Feb 27th 2016 at 12:33:15 PM

IIRC Marvel didn't like that he wanted to focus on both Stephen and Clea after writing 1602. They said no to his and del Toro's ideas for a movie so they both moved on to non-Marvel movie projects.

One of them said the problem was really more that nobody at Marvel Studios gave a shit about making a Doctor Strange movie when they pitched. This was in the early stages of the studio when they were focusing on getting out the Avengers and their solo movies, so all these other characters we're just seeing now were very low priorities.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52208: Feb 27th 2016 at 12:44:21 PM

If it's not connected to the MCU why is it here?

But hey more Johnathan Frakes is always good.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52209: Feb 27th 2016 at 12:48:03 PM

Someone a while back came in here and wondered how the series worked with the movies and we had a big talk about how none of the animated or live action series affect the movies in any meaningful way. This is kinda interesting since the series that Disney/Marvel wanted people to see after seeing the movie has now cast a character that the movies won't have instead of waiting to do the same as the MCU.

edited 27th Feb '16 12:48:43 PM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52210: Feb 27th 2016 at 12:50:58 PM

I think that's a good thing. The shows trying to completely ape the movies without having inside info on what the movies are actually doing has rarely worked in their favor, so just doing their own version of the Star-Lord's dad plot instead of trying to sync up to the movies at least doesn't have that problem.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#52211: Feb 27th 2016 at 12:52:56 PM

Do we have any numbers on how well the animated series are doing btw?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52212: Feb 27th 2016 at 12:58:58 PM

I have no idea or what "good" on a cable channel like Disney XD is considered. They did order a second season though so I imagine it must be doing okay.

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#52213: Feb 27th 2016 at 1:11:21 PM

Sooo...

Based on the Elektra trailer, you guys think Elodie Yung will knock it out of the park as Elektra better than Jennifer Garner?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52214: Feb 27th 2016 at 1:16:09 PM

She kinda has to since the bar's been set so low.

At the very least, the writers seem to actually be writing Elektra and not whoever the hell Garner was playing.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#52215: Feb 27th 2016 at 1:28:58 PM

[up][up] Based on what we've seen in the trailers alone, Elodie Yung is already a better Elektra than Jennifer Garner.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52216: Feb 27th 2016 at 2:16:23 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52217: Feb 27th 2016 at 4:53:24 PM

If it's not connected to the MCU why is it here?

For as much advertisement for the films as the can get.

Just like how Avengers Assemble isn't part of the MCU but exists to make people watching it go "hey! Just like the movie!" as much as possible.

edited 27th Feb '16 4:54:44 PM by KnownUnknown

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#52218: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:01:54 PM

It's a shame. A series focusing on the adventures of the Guardians has a lot of potential.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52219: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:03:28 PM

[up][up]I'm not sure if you got what I was saying. I wasn't suggesting the show is part of the MCU, I was asking what made it the topic of discussion in an MCU thread.

The same way we'll from time to time get posts about the X-Men or Deadpool in here.

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#52220: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:28:07 PM

I'm so angry about how mediocre it is.

Because it has flashes of what it could be.

They dealt with explosive cud chewing space warping tyrannosaurus-esque space cattle in the most recent episode.

Drax got to wear a cowboy hat.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52221: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:34:11 PM

It's one of the few times I've ever seen a children's cartoon that is allowed to use actual music.

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#52222: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:37:10 PM

There is that as well.

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#52223: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:49:58 PM

[up][up] What do you mean?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52224: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:59:41 PM

[up]They use old 70's hits like the movie.

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#52225: Feb 27th 2016 at 6:00:26 PM

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