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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#52126: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:32:02 PM

All of which are hilarious. Gaston didn't become a fountain of memes for nothing.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52127: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:32:38 PM

Jafar, at least, is a more direct foil to Aladdin then most Disney villains are to their hero. You see a little more of him than you do most of the rest of them.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52128: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:33:38 PM

Never liked Jafar. I consider him a cheap more incompetent copy of Maleficent.

And no one gets not-mentioned like Gaston.

edited 25th Feb '16 2:34:14 PM by Swanpride

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#52129: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:35:39 PM

I don't really see the similarity between Maleficent and Jafar. Maleficent's literally Satan who seeks to bring suffering and death to the world, and primarily operates via grand magical acts, while Jafar is just a very power-hungry politician who primarily operates through cunning and trickery.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52130: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:38:49 PM

[up] Pay attention to the design. The way he plays with the staff is taken straight from Maleficent. A lot of his movements are. She turns into a Dragon at the end of the movie. He turns into a Snake. The big difference is that Maleficent is the Mistress of all Evil and he is just a faceblind wannabe who manages to defeat himself.

edited 25th Feb '16 2:39:15 PM by Swanpride

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#52131: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:39:49 PM

Recycling animation was definitely a thing that Disney did because money.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52132: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:40:03 PM

Jafar's outfit is a throwback to Maleficent, and he also goes One-Winged Angel, but that's all rather superficial given that everything narratively important about him is completely different: the nature of his scheme, the way he moves the plot along, his personality and role, etc.

You could call Yzma a knockoff of Maleficent by that standard.

edited 25th Feb '16 2:41:12 PM by KnownUnknown

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#52133: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:41:00 PM

Yeah. I rewatched Aladdin some years back and something that really stood out to me is how subtle Jafar's limited supernatural abilities really are. Like, he can do some fortunetelling and he has a neat staff with hypnotic effects - effects that the Sultan actually snaps himself out of at one point, even. Apart from that, he's just a harmless old man.

As a kid, I imagined him as this powerful and dangerous sorcerer, but that's only the case in the climax. He's really just treacherous politician.

[up] Funny you mention her, as I actually consider Yzma an exploration of Jafar. She's basically, "What if Jafar got fired for some bullshit reason before he could put his scheme into motion?"

edited 25th Feb '16 2:42:12 PM by TobiasDrake

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52135: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:43:38 PM

[up][up] I agree with that about Yzma. She's in a lot of ways a parody of Jafar, or maybe characters like Ludmilla who really are copies of the character type.

edited 25th Feb '16 2:45:17 PM by KnownUnknown

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#52136: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:52:41 PM

I really enjoy Yzma as a villain. I honestly think she's one of the consistently funniest Disney villains.

But I noticed we're a bit off-topic now, so I guess i'll ask a question.

What movie from Phase 3 (besides Civil War) are you most excited for?

For me it's probably Black Panther and GOTG 2. I want Doctor Strange to be excellent, but I'm not sure about anything beyond Cumberbatch's acting ability.

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#52137: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:56:58 PM

I'm most excited for Dr. Strange and Inhumans.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#52139: Feb 25th 2016 at 2:57:35 PM

Probably Ant-man and the Wasp, as I have no idea what direction it could go in.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52140: Feb 25th 2016 at 3:01:02 PM

Black Panther, Civil War and Infinity War probably. Spider-Man and Inhumans are gonna have to really wow me to win me over.

edited 25th Feb '16 3:01:35 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52141: Feb 25th 2016 at 3:01:41 PM

Black Panther and Dr. Strange for me.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#52142: Feb 25th 2016 at 3:02:29 PM

Civil War, Black Panther, and Ant-Man and the Wasp.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52143: Feb 25th 2016 at 3:04:10 PM

For everything...but Civil War and Got G Vol 2 are the ones I would miss for nothing in the world. Something occurred to me: Where will they get a new tape for Got G Vol 3?

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#52144: Feb 25th 2016 at 3:05:05 PM

Civil War, Dr. Strange, and Captain Marvel.

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#52145: Feb 25th 2016 at 3:05:45 PM

If Quill visits Earth during Infinity War he might make a new one.

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#52146: Feb 25th 2016 at 3:07:48 PM

Inhumans excites me mostly because I freakin' love Black Bolt and Dr. Strange excites me because I love Dr. Strange. Could barely care less about their villains and side characters.

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#52147: Feb 25th 2016 at 3:14:56 PM

I'm looking foward to Captain America: Civil War, Doctor Strange, MCU!Spider-Man (I barely watched any of the last 5 movies note ), and GOTG Vol. 2.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52148: Feb 25th 2016 at 3:16:07 PM

It's probably best to not get attached to hypothetical fancasts this early on.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#52149: Feb 25th 2016 at 3:17:54 PM

I want to hope that Marvel will finally make the definitive Spider-Man but it doesn't help that it's YET ANOTHER reboot. I hope it's good but it's kind of hard to be excited about it.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#52150: Feb 25th 2016 at 3:34:25 PM

I think the MCU's best bet for a big villain in Avengers after Thanos, besides the Masters of Evil (provided they don't appear during the plot with Thanos), is to have a villain set up in Dr. Strange's series invade our reality - especially since there aren't very many other ways to get Strange and the Avengers to team up.

I mean, the Avengers in an action/horror battle vs an Eldritch Abomination like Shuma Gorath? Sounds awesome.

edited 25th Feb '16 3:35:19 PM by KnownUnknown


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