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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Everyone. They're an army of supervillains now
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Villains can work in a wide variety of ways.
Most of the Disney villains you listed are extremely entertaining, frightening and have a lot of stage presence. That's absolutely 100% functional and good, but unfortunately I feel that most Marvel villains often just barely have that going on their favor, they're merely functional but not exceptional and it does often end up making for a film that is not as good as it could be. The problem isn't that the villains don't work per se but that they aren't particularly exceptional either.
Focusing on the hero above all else isn't an inherently bad approach but has netted mix results so far.
edited 25th Feb '16 1:36:47 PM by wehrmacht
I don't think they're in anything right now but they were a very big part of Secret Avengers and Avengers Undercover.
@Comic Writer: I think nearly all of the Immortal Weapons are Asians, are they not? Fat Cobra, Dog Brother, Tiger's Beautiful Daughter, Bride of Nine Spiders (though that one's hard to tell because she barely looks human). The only weapons not asian are Iron Fist and Prince of Orphans, and even Prince of Orphans, due being shadowy as it gets, is hard to peg (he says his name is John Aman, but who's to say that isn't just one of his many names?).
I think Brubaker-Fraction-Duane (because his surname is way too hard to type) is the arc they'll try adapting. It's by far Iron Fist's best run, and no writer before or since has reached it. It's to Iron Fist what Frank Miller is to Daredevil. The villain (Steel Serpent) is also ripe for good writing potential (he's basically Tai Lung).
But if I had to guess, I think the first season will be about Orson and Iron Fist. It seems to early to play something as huge as the Seven Immortal Weapons in the first season. They're massive Ensemble Dark Horse, and really each of them could get their own spin-off (that Marvel is yet to do so is a disapointment of mine).
@Wack'd, I'd like to observe I agree with you. I'm not your enemy here. Please remain calm.
@Kostya: This is mostly what I mean. He can be of other ethnicties, I just think his arc of Culture Clash works better when he's primarily a Western person from New York, particularly due his strong connection to Harlem, for example.
EDIT: I'm going to stop having debates here. It moves waaay too fast to properly discuss anything at length.
edited 25th Feb '16 1:42:50 PM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose.""Oh no a giant monster is destroying LA oh too bad the 'heroes' are all too busy with registration those piss babies. Even though its a magic giant monster and Dr Strange is uninvolved and should probably be taking care of this everybody else in the verse is a bunch of dumb babies with their costumes and codenames not like us cool young people"
But overall, if you ignore those swipes (like Captain America just throwing the kids in foster care and never checking back up on them?) it was pretty great.
Yeah, that bugged me a lot. The one that stood out to me was when they "disproved" Spider-Man's With Great Power thing by saying that great power doesn't come with great responsibility because people with power always misuse it, and so it falls to those with no power to keep everyone else in check.
In addition to the suggestion that people without power would even be able to keep those with power in check being nonsensical and asinine, it completely misinterprets the point of the With Great Power bit. It's not stating inherently that everyone with Great Power always uses the power responsibly. It's saying that Great Power should be utilized responsibly.
Or, in other words, this scene that was supposed to make Nico look badass by having her defeat Spider-Man in a philosophical argument comes off looking exactly like what it is: an arrogant teenager trying to talk smack at an experienced professional while having no idea what she's actually talking about, and horribly embarrassing herself in the process. It's just too bad that wasn't the intent.
edited 25th Feb '16 1:47:22 PM by TobiasDrake
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I actually think that was the intent behind the scene, since Spider-Man was actually truly trying to help them and he came off as sympathetic (since he used to be a teen hero, too).
edited 25th Feb '16 1:48:45 PM by alliterator
@Wehrmacht Sure, but that is mostly because of either weaknesses in the overall script (Malekith and Whiplash is just one of a long list of problems in their respective movies). The movies do well enough though, overall. After all they gave us Loki and all the great Hydra villains. The TV shows are doing GREAT because they have more time to spend on both, hero and villain. Between Dotty Unterwood, Whitney Frost, Kingpin, Killgrave, Grand Ward, Mr. Hyde, Hive, nobody can convince me that there aren't enough great villains in the MCU. The movies just set their focus on a different place.
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I'm aware, but in his appearance in the Immortal Iron Fist series he always struck me as far more nebulous than his original Amazing Man self. Prince of Orphans is treated by everyone as incredibly mysterious and shadowy (and he does seem to be far more deceptive and cunning than his original self), so I always imagined this reimagined version might have a different origin or background.
You what would be interesting? If there was a movie from the perspective of the villain. Now that would be a bold move.
What villain should it be, though? Loki would be the obvious choice, since he can easily play an anti-villain/anti-hero. But he's perhaps too obvious and too overused (although I wish we could get Kid Loki).
Some hi res versions
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It looks like they tightened the CGI on Team Iron Man a little more. BP looks excellent.
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And almost all example are from TV series and not without their own issues(Like grand become punshing bag after his reveal) when we talk about movie as own the result are pretty bad: Malekith is generic and his screentime is eaten by Loki, Red skull is meh, Ultron to weird in chararterization seen the movie go so fast and almost all tony stark villians are just evil copy of him(with Vanki getting sideling to see more Drunk!tony and hammer being just nunance at best) a least obadiah give him something of a fight.
Compare with Hydra and Loki who where given motivation,competence and more important screen time, instead of this sorta enemy who is there to have a climax in the end. it have become a issue in movies.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"![]()
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It would never work for a ton of reasons but I would love a Mephisto movie with everything from him going to a bar at the end of work to relax, trolling other tricksters, trying to seduce someone to be his date for the annual hell dinner, toying with the souls of the damned and totally not invading other realms.
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edited 25th Feb '16 2:05:56 PM by LordofLore
I can't speak for Daredevil since I haven't watched past the second episode, but as far as Jessica Jones is concerned, I haven't finished that either but am about 7/8 episodes in and I think Kilgrave is an excellent villain.
But I always considered the TV marvel efforts kind of separate, because it is a different medium where they have a lot more time to flesh out the characters in general. I was mostly just talking about the movies.
edited 25th Feb '16 2:11:16 PM by wehrmacht
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EDIT: Also, has Elektra ever been written as having an accent in the comics?
edited 25th Feb '16 2:26:20 PM by TargetmasterJoe
He spends the rest of the arc clutching himself in pain. Its great.
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That was also a pretty sweet Take That! as well since Whedon has said he fucking hates the Punisher because he considers him a murderous fascist.
edited 25th Feb '16 2:29:07 PM by comicwriter

edited 25th Feb '16 1:33:06 PM by alliterator