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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52026: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:15:19 PM

Keep in mind I said Ultron was "too jokey", for exactly the reason you gave comicwriter.

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#52027: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:17:27 PM

Malekith had a lot of potential for a tragic villain. The film could have had some scenes where he struggled with guilt over killing pretty much his entire race.

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#52028: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:17:54 PM

<.< I loved Ultron forgetting the word for children because it showed how inhuman he was. "Children" isn't a word that matters much to him. He doesn't care enough to be able to pull the word up on a whim.

Rick And Morty had a similar joke about the titular Rick's amoral apathy towards the wellbeing of others.

  • BETH: Oh, listen to you relish the idea that my genius father is a bad person. Step out of your ego for a second and look at [his chained up prisoner]. It's a monster! He might have it chained up so it doesn't eat the planet!
  • RICK: Right, because your father's such an altruist. I once saw him briefly forget the word for HUMANS. He's probably harvesting this creature's organs!

Followed up on with his dismissal of his granddaughter's concern for him:

  • RICK: Summer's just a hyper-emotional, needy little...what's the word I'm looking for? Uh...human! It runs in the family. I can tolerate it but I can't give a crap about it!

Ultron forgetting the word for children served the same purpose: it demonstrated how detached and uncaring about humanity he is, that a word that is considered so sacred that most people couldn't in a million years forget means so little to him.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:18:52 PM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52029: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:17:57 PM

Who needs nuance when we can have more Evil Overlords?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52030: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:19:27 PM

I don't require nuance, but for Gods sake give Malekith some fucking lines.

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#52031: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:20:50 PM

All I remember from what little he did speak was that his voice was deep and pretty awesome, but he wasn't too memorable.

What's the opinion on the final fight between him and Thor, though? I heard a lot of people thought that was actually really good.

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Philcoulson I do not think of myself as a king I think of my from From shadows Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: Abstaining
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#52032: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:21:00 PM

wild mass guess Ultron made a backup of himself before Slokoviawild mass guess

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#52033: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:21:08 PM

From what we know there were several deleted scenes that made Malekith a more Tragic Villain figure, but they were cut for Loki. Which thus segues into the age-old argument of More Loki vs Less Loki.

Which is only comparable to the Mandarin debacle in IM 3 in terms of "fandom's most exhausted debate". IM 3 and The Dark World I believe are the two MCU movies that I'm utterly sick of discussing.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#52034: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:21:50 PM

It would've also helped if Malekith delivered his lines in a language people could understand and ascribe depth to.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52035: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:22:29 PM

[up][up]We could always go back to debating whether or not Loki's staff is the Mind Gem.tongue

edited 25th Feb '16 12:23:56 PM by comicwriter

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#52036: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:22:49 PM

I'd actually like to see a fan-cut of the Dark World with less Loki and the deleted scenes with Malakith added, just to compare if it would've been an improvement or not.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#52038: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:23:33 PM

I'm surprised we didn't get into a heated debate about Danny's race immediately after the news.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:23:41 PM by VeryMelon

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52039: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:24:06 PM

Ultron made a backup of himself before Slokovia

He's probably the easiest villain to bring back should they ever choose to. Which I'm hoping they do in some capacity if they ever do Runaways, since his son is one of the main characters.

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#52040: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:24:35 PM

I haven't seen Dark World yet to have a proper comparison, but on paper, Loki already had his chance to shine and will still get more stuff. I would have prefer to have one more stand-out and interesting villain over just more Loki, even if I do like him.

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#52041: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:24:59 PM

[up][up][up]I have never really been concerned about their race, as long as the person is a good actor. I just dislike Finn Jones.

edited 25th Feb '16 5:48:30 PM by yellowturtle

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#52042: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:25:37 PM

I've started reading the Simonson run of MIGHTY THOR and just finished what I presume was the first appearance of Malekith.

Does he get more depth later that everybody is missing? Because he's pretty generic.

I mean, he turned into a woman and presumably succubus'd a dude to death off-screen but.

Part of the problem is all the faerie stuff that makes him even a little interesting doesn't really work well with the sci-fantasy opera MCU Thor feel.

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#52043: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:26:03 PM

So what's Zemo's relationship with Hydra in the MCU

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#52044: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:26:51 PM

wild mass guessIt's been him in charge all along! wild mass guess

edited 25th Feb '16 12:27:03 PM by yellowturtle

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#52045: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:28:36 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Iron Fist is a white guy anyways.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#52046: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:28:43 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]

Same here. Regardless of my own personal bias there's going to be big pros and cons regardless of what race the actor is, and the other reliable metric which is acting skill is not really something I rate Jones highly in.

[up] Yeah. Some people sneer at the idea of characters having to resemble their comic counterparts, but for a lot of people of all stripes it does matter. One could argue that Marvel is playing it too safe with the casting to its detriment (Society Marches On and such), but it's not like they whitewashed him, and it's a good opportunity to deconstruct the Mighty Whitey trope if that's where they want to go.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:35:47 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52047: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:30:39 PM

So what's Zemo's relationship with Hydra in the MCU

We don't know. The movie's not out yet. We do know HYDRA has less of a presence in this one though.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:35:12 PM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#52048: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:33:38 PM

I'm actually not overly bothered by the race thing, but that's because I value Danny more for his interracial marrage with Misty Knight than anything else. And changing Danny to a less privileged ethnicity affects how that marrage can be explored.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#52049: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:37:54 PM

Not sure if it is really confirmed when it is written in Empire and not on the official Marvel outlets, but here are my questions:

Was this guy in anything else but Game of Thrones (which I don't watch)? Can he do the fight moves?


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