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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#52001: Feb 25th 2016 at 11:55:53 AM

If it's the end of the world I don't need some dumbass comic relief character prancing around in the nude.

The story should be strong enough that you don't need lame slapstick gags to keep people from being bored.

Now I'm just hoping we get confirmation Kat Dennings and the intern aren't back.

edited 25th Feb '16 11:57:06 AM by comicwriter

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#52002: Feb 25th 2016 at 11:56:49 AM

Happy Professor Selvig is gone this time.

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#52003: Feb 25th 2016 at 11:57:42 AM

As an example, Mjolnir desperately flying around trying to find Thor was the best part of the climax.

The showdown between Thor and Malekith? Meh. Nobody gave two f*cks about Malekith anyway so who would be excited about this?

This bit:

  • JANE: Darcy?
  • DARCY: Jane!
  • ERIK: Ian?!
  • IAN: Selvig!
  • Mjolnir flies past
  • DARCY: Mjew Mjew!

Gold.

edited 25th Feb '16 11:57:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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#52004: Feb 25th 2016 at 11:59:20 AM

I agree with Tobias, Wackd, and Bocaj.

But also, if we don't get some DOOM sound effects in Ragnarok, I'm going to specifically punch an elf.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#52005: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:00:09 PM

Hey, listen, I wanted to give a shit about Malekith, but apparently the reshoots that added more Loki scenes also managed to remove every bit of characterization that Malekith had, apparently.

Which is a damn shame, because Christopher Eccleston is a great actor.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:00:53 PM by higherbrainpattern

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#52006: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:00:54 PM

Also: The Worthiest Coat Rack. A much more interesting and well-developed character than half of the protagonists and all the villains.

People remember the coat rack and its role in the scene it was in. How many people can recite one line of dialogue from Malekith? Did Kurse even talk at all, because I actually can't remember if he was silent or not?

And on that note, how many people even knew that Kurse had a name?

edited 25th Feb '16 12:03:19 PM by TobiasDrake

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#52007: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:01:18 PM

[up][up]The MCU excels at wasting really talented actors as lackluster villains (James Spader, Mickey Rourke, and now Corey Stoll).

I'm hoping Daniel Bruhl bucks the trend.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:01:46 PM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#52008: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:02:57 PM

While I'm disappointed that a POC wasn't cast as Iron Fist, I haven't seen Finn Jones in anything long enough to get a feeling if he's going to be good or not. I've only seen him as Loral Tyrell and he's pretty much supposed to be a wet blanket in that show.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#52009: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:03:08 PM

Ehhh. He's not my cup of tea. The dude also refuses to be the Doctor in one-shot crossover episodes.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#52010: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:04:34 PM

I thought Corey Stoll was really great in Ant-Man, IMO. He did a pretty sweet version of Lex Luthor, let's be honest.

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#52011: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:05:19 PM

Mickey Rourke at least had a pretty good Russian accent, and that speech about if one could make God bleed was pretty cool.

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#52012: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:05:37 PM

[up][up][up][up]I think it would be great for the guy to crawl back into Marvel's basement so I can forget about him until Iron Fist starts production.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:07:44 PM by yellowturtle

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#52013: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:06:23 PM

[up][up][up]He was more enjoyable to watch than a lot of the other villains but I would have liked more if they'd pursued the father figure angle further instead of just having him devolve into a generic psycho in the last act.

The scene where he asked Hank why he threw him away was genuinely moving.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:07:00 PM by comicwriter

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#52014: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:06:26 PM

Corey Stoll's character in Ant-Man was a one-dimensional piece of shit but there's no denying that he played the character amazingly well. Everything entertaining about the character was in Stoll's upbeat and exuberant portrayal, not the writing.

Poorly written but amazingly well acted, which is a testament to Stoll's ability.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:07:17 PM by TobiasDrake

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#52015: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:06:50 PM

I liked James Spader's Ultron.

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#52016: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:07:42 PM

Put me down for that one too! Spader's Ultron is one of the most memorable non-Loki villains in the MCU.

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#52017: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:08:38 PM

From what I remember my problem with Finn Jones was less his approach to Loras (who already got mangled badly by the writers; seriously, WTF was up with the whole Olyvar arc) and more that he felt both wooden and overacted at different points.

Anyway I don't think Corey Stoll was that bad in Ant-Man. His character wasn't the greatest, but he made it stand out as best as he could by going full ham.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:09:57 PM by AlleyOop

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#52018: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:08:46 PM

[up][up][up]With better writing, I think Ultron could have been great but as it is he was just eh.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:09:04 PM by comicwriter

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#52019: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:08:48 PM

Spader's Ultron was too jokey.

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#52020: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:08:55 PM

I mean I don't find Finn Jones's acting that atrocious in GOT. He doesn't stand out in anyway, but he's not bad. I can't think of a scene I just went "JESUS CHRIST I WILL PHYSICALLY HARM THIS MAN IF HE KEEPS ACTING LIKE THIS".

He seems the kind of actor who'll pull out a He Can Really Act anyday now.

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#52021: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:09:58 PM

James Spader's Ultron was pretty good. Needed some work on the writing, but it was really good when the writing was working with him.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#52022: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:11:58 PM

Could be he knew he was on a sinking ship and stopped giving a shit, because he wasn't that bad in the first season. Kinda like how even Peter Dinklage doesn't seem to be trying as hard anymore, though it might be all the nominations getting to his head.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#52023: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:12:11 PM

[up][up][up][up]I didn't even mind the jokes. It fit with him being an evil version of Tony Stark. It's that a lot of the jokes just really did not land and made him look less threatening.

The omelette joke? Had me rolling. So did "Finance is so weird."

Him not knowing the word for children? That's where he started falling into Home Alone villain territory.

edited 25th Feb '16 12:12:25 PM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#52024: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:12:56 PM

Frigga was my favourite part of Thaw The Dark World.

Also in a genre overspilling with sociopath villains, Ant Man managed to make it's villain's sociopathy genuinely interesting.

Also, can Finn speak Chinese? I figured the two main restraints on casting Danny was finding an actor who could speak both Chinese and American English without accents, and be talented in martial arts.

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#52025: Feb 25th 2016 at 12:14:10 PM

Spader's Ultron was amazing. The jokeyness was what made him legitimately scary.


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