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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#51776: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:02:00 AM

I imagine they're going to shake up the status quo like they did in Winter Soldier. That was controversial without killing any- errr, many people.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51778: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:04:02 AM

Thor? They'll somehow manage to kill the only Avenger who isn't in the movie?

wild mass guess the post-credits scene is Thor having a heart attack and going to Hel as a result wild mass guess

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51779: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:05:03 AM

[up]Why do you think he's not in the movie? Dead.

edited 22nd Feb '16 10:05:10 AM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#51780: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:06:01 AM

THAT could be controversial all right. Killing a main character that wasn't even in the movie expect for The Stinger would do it.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#51781: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:06:36 AM

They'll kill that computer guy in The Winter Soldier who showed up in the SHIELD helicarrier in Age of Ultron and it'll be controversial because he'll basically be the Coulson of Civil War and die. [lol]

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51782: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:07:16 AM

wild mass guess Everyone who isn't in the movie is actually dead, resulting in every single Netflix series ending with their main characters having simultaneous heart attacks. wild mass guess

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#51784: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:12:52 AM

Wait, isn't the end credits scene of Civil War supposed to be related to Thor: Ragnarok? So they could show Thor being (seemingly) killed, couldn't they?

edited 22nd Feb '16 10:13:08 AM by higherbrainpattern

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#51785: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:16:39 AM

They could, though I don't see them doing that unless it's a finished scene from Ragnarok. Even with everyone knowing you sit through the credits of Marvel movies, you can't put something as important as the death of the main character in a 30 second scene at the end of a different film.

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#51786: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:30:52 AM

Thor doesn't start filming until June. The post-credits scene will probably tease Doctor Strange, if anything.

edited 22nd Feb '16 10:31:46 AM by FoxBoxKid

Make mine Marvel.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51787: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:47:05 AM

Last year Jaimie Alexander said Civil War will "have some stuff" related to Ragnarok but she could have been talking out of her ass.

I imagine they'll follow the pattern of one stinger being for a future movie and the other being something directly related to this one.

edited 22nd Feb '16 10:47:15 AM by comicwriter

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#51788: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:47:59 AM

Who the hell let Light Yagami into the MCU?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#51789: Feb 22nd 2016 at 10:55:46 AM

Alternatively the movie will end with Captain America renouncing his country and becoming Nomad. That'll definitely piss some part of the audience off.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#51791: Feb 22nd 2016 at 11:04:53 AM

If cap becomes nomad, that suggests Sam or Bucky could become Cap, and fans of either character will be pissed if the wrong character gets picked.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51792: Feb 22nd 2016 at 11:07:41 AM

"I'm not becoming Nomad because Tony was mean to my friend or because I don't like the Avengers any longer. I just don't want to be Captain America if America would vote someone like Trump to power."

(It was Reagan 616!Cap was angry at, right?)

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#51793: Feb 22nd 2016 at 11:11:47 AM

I kind of want Steve Rogers to die, and for Captain America to die with him. Forever. I love Chris Evens and the role he's made his own as much as Robert Downey Jr. has made Iron Man his own, but this is the most thematically-fitting time and place for him to die and for it to happen now would carry the most possible impact. I would greatly prefer if the mantle of Captain America dies with him, but if there needs to be a new Cap, use Bucky. He would need a new heroic identity after the movie and Sam already has the title of Falcon.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#51794: Feb 22nd 2016 at 11:13:54 AM

It was Reagan 616!Cap was angry at, right?

Nomad happened during the Secret Empire arc, aka "we're not saying their boss is Richard Nixon, but-".

edited 22nd Feb '16 11:14:19 AM by Tuckerscreator

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#51795: Feb 22nd 2016 at 11:14:47 AM

They're not killing off Cap in his own movie, not when Evans is signed on for Infinity War.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51796: Feb 22nd 2016 at 11:15:46 AM

[up]It's still so insane that someone seriously wrote a story where Nixon was revealed to be a supervillain and then shot himself in the head.

The Ant-Man Figuart.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51797: Feb 22nd 2016 at 11:18:11 AM

[up][up][up]Oh right, Reagan turned into a lizardperson when Steve went by The Captain instead of Captain America. Man, all of Steve's other codenames suck when he uses them.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#51798: Feb 22nd 2016 at 11:21:53 AM

There was a pretty funny part in the Nomad issue where he's trying to decide on a new codename, going through several and failing. He figures he wants something darker, to strike fear in criminals' hearts, then realizes a bat better not fly through the window while he's saying that.

He also trips on his cape the first night with his new costume.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51799: Feb 22nd 2016 at 11:41:09 AM

A rundown of the important stuff from the article:

  • It sets the stage for Infinity War and they say that they have a strong through line between Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Infinity War. "We look at this movie as setting the stage for Infinity War, how it starts and what condition everybody is in.”

  • No pictures or real info on Spider-Man, but they say he only appears after all the sides are chosen, and that he develops a special relationship with one of the Avengers.

  • The mention of that pesky controversial ending again. The Russos promise the shift will be even bigger and more dramatic than when SHIELD was destroyed. They say that if Winter Soldier was a political thriller, then Civil War is a psychological thriller.

  • Nothing really major about Pepper other than confirming she's in it.

  • The stuff about Martin Freeman playing Ross.

  • Despite the trailers and promo art showing Black Panther on Team Iron Man, he isn't on anyone's side, and views keeping the conflict between the Avengers under control as his political duty. That may be why he is shown alongside Falcon an Cap in one of the images.

  • On Steve and Bucky: "The Cap-Bucky story is a love story; he can’t let go of his brother. He can reconcile Bucky’s crimes, but other people have no emotional context for Bucky, and they need to point the finger. We have no idea if he’s a hero or a villain. People are going to walk out arguing about that too.”

  • The test screenings have all been extremely positive, but the audiences have been split on whether Steve or Tony are the one in the right, which the magazine notes is in sharp contrast to the comics, where the majority of people agree Iron Man was the unambiguous villain.

edited 22nd Feb '16 11:41:22 AM by comicwriter

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#51800: Feb 22nd 2016 at 11:46:06 AM

The last point is a HUGE plus. Also, Spider-Man's special relationship will be him trying to eat Ant-Man and Black Widow inexplicably trying to eat him.


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