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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#51676: Feb 19th 2016 at 5:37:13 PM

One could try, though generally those things don't really work.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#51677: Feb 19th 2016 at 5:42:39 PM

and then she kisses his helmet and throws it out the door, forcing him to fly down and catch it?

What a dick.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51678: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:03:38 PM

I mean, fucking hell. AOS devotes two consecutive seasons to setting up Inhumans and Secret Warriors and that's the thanks they get?

Well they were never gonna have the royal family debut on the show and chances are they don't even have a clear idea what they're gonna be doing with the Inhumans movie yet.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#51679: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:05:55 PM

Chances are, the Inhumans on Earth will be ignored because the entire Inhumans film will take place off world.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51680: Feb 19th 2016 at 9:54:48 PM

Cross continuity is more of a problem with AOS than it is with shows like Daredevil, in part because Daredevil has itself a niche that is unlikely to cause any problems should Daredevil or characters from his series show up in the movies, and in part because AOS tends to go really freaking overboard when it comes to canon. It wouldn't be the first time the movies have ignored one of the series' plotlines.

In the case of the Inhumans, they didn't just use the Inhumans and set them up, they developed their entire history on Earth, setting up an entire society and their backstory, practices and the details of what it means to be an Inhuman in the first place, and bringing them to their ultimate destruction. All things that should've been saved for the movie, and which if acknowledged make things difficult to write a further plot around without having to refer the viewer back to the show.

I doubt they'll be entirely unmentioned in the movie, though, simply because AOS did so much with it that ignoring it would be like outright declaring the show non-canon, but nothing beyond maybe seeing Jiaying or Skye being on a list of known/historical Inhumans on Earth.

edited 19th Feb '16 10:04:17 PM by KnownUnknown

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#51681: Feb 19th 2016 at 10:07:50 PM

I'd be fine with the TV show characters not playing a major role in the movies, but I'd at least like a cameo. Just, some kind of acknowledgement from the movies that, yes, the TV shows are indeed happening in the same universe. It kind of sucks that the burden of TV-movie universe linkage falls solely on the shows.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51682: Feb 19th 2016 at 10:34:37 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if they at least have a cameo in IW.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51684: Feb 20th 2016 at 4:18:12 AM

It would have been nice if they had stuck Fitzsimmons into the background of the Helicarrier in Age of Ultron, but all in all, I am okay with the way they deal with it now. I think the Inhumans movie can easily acknowledge that there are people with abilities running around at earth without making it necessary for anyone to watch Ao S.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51685: Feb 20th 2016 at 5:33:01 AM

The easiest way to handle things would be to say the Inhumans in the show are a different settlement from the ones in the movie.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#51686: Feb 20th 2016 at 6:14:00 AM

That's what I assumed in the first place.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51687: Feb 20th 2016 at 7:27:13 AM

The entire premise the show was using was something established in Infinity, that in addition to Attilan (where the main characters live), there had been various smaller Inhuman settlements hidden all throughout the world.

Therefore the show could use the concept of a hidden city of superhumans without stepping on the toes of whatever the movies decide to do with Attilan and the royal family.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51688: Feb 20th 2016 at 7:35:23 AM

Well, it is hard to do the secret warrior storyline without Inhumans.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51689: Feb 20th 2016 at 9:38:03 AM

Civil War IS a Dork Age, I respectfully disagree, and I am pretty sure this trope is subjective to begin with.

Nope I talked to the laws of the universe themselves and they told me Civil War the comic is objectively shit.

Thankfully the movie seems to be changing the parts I dislike the most.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51690: Feb 20th 2016 at 9:39:54 AM

As the physical manifestation of the laws of the universe, I deny any inolvement in this bout.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51691: Feb 20th 2016 at 1:19:53 PM

The easiest way to handle things would be to say the Inhumans in the show are a different settlement from the ones in the movie.

That still has problems. In particular, AOS has the entire world know about Inhumans, believes them to be alien invaders, and has already has the whole "hunted down like mutants" thing going on. Even if it's another settlement, they would still be starting in the middle of the plot.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#51692: Feb 20th 2016 at 1:22:27 PM

Maybe the Inhumans in the movie won't interact with the surface world or something. I don't know much about the Inhumans royal family.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51693: Feb 20th 2016 at 1:25:29 PM

Empire is gonna have an alternate Civil War cover that they're hyping up as really cool. Hopefully it lives up to the hype.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51694: Feb 20th 2016 at 1:25:35 PM

Narratively, at least a portion of the plot should involve the state of Earth and how it relates to them, otherwise there's no real point in making them (in)human at all.

edited 20th Feb '16 1:26:24 PM by KnownUnknown

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51695: Feb 20th 2016 at 1:28:06 PM

The movie doesn't have to do some kind of X-men plot where they focus on integrating into human society. They can be established as a thing in prior movies.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#51696: Feb 20th 2016 at 1:29:00 PM

What exactly is the problem between Marvel's TV and Film divisions?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51697: Feb 20th 2016 at 1:31:15 PM

[up][up] They don't have to copy X-Men (they live on the moon, after all), but they do need to have a connection to Earth if they're going to bother making to them human at all.

Compare Black Panther. The plot is about, and centered on, Wakanda. It's not about Iron Man, or Captain America, or America or SHIELD or any of the non-Wakandan characters that are nonetheless present in his stories. But he lives on Earth, interacts with the state of the Earth in the Marvel Universe, and that setting is central to his character.

edited 20th Feb '16 1:32:25 PM by KnownUnknown

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51698: Feb 20th 2016 at 1:33:07 PM

They don't have to be a new thing in their movie though.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51699: Feb 20th 2016 at 1:33:46 PM

[up][up][up]Well the TV division is still overseen by Ike Perlmutter, who is a persona non gratae at the film department.

Other than that I don't think there's any animosity. Just that the film division obviously does not really care what's going on in the TV shows.

edited 20th Feb '16 1:34:03 PM by comicwriter

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#51700: Feb 20th 2016 at 1:36:32 PM

So the film division doesn't even bother trying to fit in anything from the TV shows, more or less?

I mean, it's a wonder that the TV division is able to fit things in with the continuity the way they do.

edited 20th Feb '16 1:36:45 PM by AdricDePsycho

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