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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51651: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:01:27 PM

But that doesn't mean it's going to be the very first scene. Or that they won't cut it.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51652: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:03:44 PM

Yeah....somehow I seriously doubt they spent all that time and money shooting a massive action scene like that and then cut it.

edited 19th Feb '16 3:04:40 PM by comicwriter

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#51653: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:07:19 PM

Plus, is there any reason we should assume the promotional material meant to be a direct lead-in to the movie is lying? That kind of defeats the purpose of the material, doesn't it? We've got enough information that we can reasonably puece together how the movie starts without much need for debate. This is silly.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51654: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:18:43 PM

Yeah....somehow I seriously doubt they spent all that time and money shooting a massive action scene like that and then cut it.
They've done it before.

I also don't think the movie is just going to start on a giant battle. I think it's going to start somewhere else and then cut to that battle. Because, again, we can't predict anything yet on this movie. Hell, we don't know who a lot of the actors are playing.

Plus, is there any reason we should assume the promotional material meant to be a direct lead-in to the movie is lying?
The promotional material isn't lying. It said it's "To Be Continued in Captain America: Civil War." It never said that the movie was going to start with the battle or anything like that.

edited 19th Feb '16 3:19:28 PM by alliterator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51655: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:22:41 PM

They've done it before.

No, they've cut smaller sequences that really didn't effect anything in the grand scheme of the film, like the Loki cameo in Age of Ultron or the Missing Trailer Scene from Iron Man 2. If it's ever anything seriously significant to the plot, they usually replace it with something else, such as the original Norn scene in AOU getting swapped out for the similar scene where Thor has a vision of the Infinity Stones.

They are not gonna scrap an entire massive battle between the Avengers and Crossbones.

I also don't think the movie is just going to start on a giant battle.

Whether or not the fight is literally frame one of the movie is irrelevant. The fight is gonna happen at the beginning of the film and is thus likely where the huge inciting event happens.

edited 19th Feb '16 3:24:31 PM by comicwriter

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#51656: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:26:26 PM

Didn't Winter Soldier start off with the Batroc mission?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51657: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:26:28 PM

If it's ever anything seriously significant to the plot, they usually replace it with something else
That's what I meant.

They are not gonna scrap an entire massive battle between the Avengers and Crossbones.
Why not? You don't even know if it's a "massive battle" or not. Again: all you have to go off of is the last scene of a prequel comic and some set photos.

Didn't Winter Soldier start off with the Batroc mission?
I wouldn't exactly call that a "massive battle."

The fight is gonna happen at the beginning of the film and is thus likely where the huge inciting event happens.
Once again: you don't know that. It could be the inciting event or it could be something completely different.

edited 19th Feb '16 3:28:07 PM by alliterator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51658: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:28:59 PM

Why not? You don't even know if it's a "massive battle" or not. Again: all you have to go off of is the last scene of a prequel comic and some set photos.

No, I know it because I have the set photos and leaked footage to go off. A fight involving Cap vs. Crossbones, Falcon flying around fighting enemy soldiers, Black Widow racing through the streets on a motorcycle, and Scarlet Witch fighting Crossbones' men is likely to be very big, yes, and unlikely to be dropped.

At this point it just seems like you're arguing for the sake of being contrary.

Once again: you don't know that. It could be the inciting event or it could be something completely different.

I know because it's common sense. They're trying to stop a terrorist attack. Crossbones is hellbent on making the Avengers suffer no matter what. We know something big happens that breaks the camel's back and gets the governments of the world to try to control the Avengers.

It's really unlikely they have a huge opening fight scene and then had the inciting incident be something completely unrelated.

edited 19th Feb '16 3:34:47 PM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51659: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:47:34 PM

No, I know it because I have the set photos and leaked footage to go off.
Again: set photos and "leaked footage" (really?) don't mean much when the filmmakers know that stuff is being leaked. Lots of fake stuff ends up being leaked, too.

It's really unlikely they have a huge opening fight scene and then had the inciting incident be something completely unrelated.
Actually, that seems like exactly the kind of thing the movie might do.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51660: Feb 19th 2016 at 3:50:40 PM

Again: set photos and "leaked footage" (really?) don't mean much when the filmmakers know that stuff is being leaked. Lots of fake stuff ends up being leaked, too.

So they shot a whole fake opening fight scene and then screened it for the fans, leaked it, and had Marvel write a tie-in comic setting it up just for the hell of it?

Got it. Those geniuses.

edited 19th Feb '16 3:53:30 PM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
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#51662: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:19:26 PM

dang

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51663: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:19:35 PM

Wonderful. I love that even moments from Jessica Jones and Agents of Shield were added.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51664: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:22:35 PM

My brain still keeps confusing Ultron with Saren from Mass Effect. It's the shape.

Edit: The only time the TV show is mentioned in connection to the movies it's in the ads for the movies or by fans of the show. I still find it funny that Marvel apparently told the cast that when the time came for the Inhumans movie they likely wouldn't even be mentioned despite how much they've built the inhumans up.

edited 19th Feb '16 4:51:50 PM by LordofLore

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#51665: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:30:57 PM

......Which is something I really hate.

I mean, fucking hell. AOS devotes two consecutive seasons to setting up Inhumans and Secret Warriors and that's the thanks they get?

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#51666: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:32:58 PM

Marvel has to work on the assumption that not everybody who sees the movie is going to have seen the shows

If they make the MCU a complicated continuity cluster between Netflix, movies, and television, why it would be a mess.

A comic bookish mess.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51667: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:33:24 PM

[up][up]The trailer is fan made. A really well done one though.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#51668: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:51:53 PM

I imagine the films will make references and name drops and shout outs and maybe even small camros in reference to the shows, but certainly nothing plot affecting will require knowledge of the events of the shows.

But that's fine, comic book shared universes work best where simultaneous books add context to each other, not rely on each other.

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#51669: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:53:36 PM

I don't think it should be so heavily interwened, but I wouldn't have an issue with some acknowledgement of the shows in the movies. The return of Phil Coulson to the movies for example is long, long overdue.

Civil War is here, I feel sad Coulson won't even show up for the final battle. As basically the member who literally died to form the Avengers, he should have more stake in their split than anyone else, but he won't be able to interact with his fellow Avengers on this issue, which is just depressing.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
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#51670: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:54:23 PM

I imagine he'll watch a news report at the beginning of an episode and just sigh

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#51671: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:55:04 PM

I never cared about Coulson at all, so him not showing up is fine by me.

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#51672: Feb 19th 2016 at 4:56:11 PM

Can we petition Marvel to let them put some of the ABC and Netflix show characters in Infinity War?

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51673: Feb 19th 2016 at 5:01:28 PM

I mean, the show will likely find a way to put Coulson in the context of the civil war, but I feel it'd be a lot more ripe for dramatic potential to see him actually interacting with his fellow Avengers and SHIELD agents on the issue.

Whose side is he even on?

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