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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#51626: Feb 19th 2016 at 12:26:54 PM

You know, I really think the comics should have had the Hulk be the catalyst of Civil War. He has a history of going off the rails and it would have been better than throwing the New Warriors under the bus.

edited 19th Feb '16 12:28:25 PM by windleopard

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#51627: Feb 19th 2016 at 12:29:25 PM

He is the inciting event in the movie version.

edited 19th Feb '16 12:47:22 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51628: Feb 19th 2016 at 12:31:16 PM

Mackie says he is. Ruffalo says he isn't.

Either way we know he isn't the inciting event.

edited 19th Feb '16 12:32:08 PM by comicwriter

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#51629: Feb 19th 2016 at 12:35:58 PM

Isn't his rampage in Age of Ultron the inciting event for the Accords?

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#51630: Feb 19th 2016 at 12:46:01 PM

Actually, having Hulk kick off the Civil War would have been interesting.

Lets say the Illuminati still shot him into goddamn space - some to get him out of the line of reprisals and some because the Hulk is just too difficult to deal with.

That would have been a good thing for the two sides to fight over.

And maybe it would have been a reason for Tony and RIIIICHARDSSSSSS to join the registration side. If the thing was still about registration. Registering Hulk doesn't seem like it would fix anything.

Certainly not the twelve skyscrapers he was thrown into while fighting the Juggernaut.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#51631: Feb 19th 2016 at 12:50:35 PM

[up][up] That might be part of it, but given that they are called the Sokovia Accords, if we have to point to a single event that got the ball rolling on the Accords, it's probably going to be Sokovia's entire capital city getting obliterated. The Hulk's rampage would just be a little more fuel in that particular fire.

My general theory is that after the events of Age of Ultron, the leaders of the world started seriously talking about getting a better handle on superhero activities. Then a disaster happens in the opening act of Civil War that makes them decide that something needs to be done right now, and a draft proposal that Steve Rodgers is critical of gets rushed into implementation.

Then when Bucky gets blamed for the disaster, Steve ends up going rogue in order to protect his friend.

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#51632: Feb 19th 2016 at 12:54:18 PM

Okay, fair enough. So the current theorizing is that the inciting event at the beginning of the movie is Crossbones exploding shit?

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#51633: Feb 19th 2016 at 1:02:12 PM

Possibly contributed to it, as did the Avengers building a murder bot. But there may be a third contributing event at the start of Civil War so people won't have to have watched Avengers 2 to understand the context.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51634: Feb 19th 2016 at 1:13:26 PM

Again, we have a pretty good idea of what causes it. The Avengers try to stop Crossbones, a bunch of people die in the process, and that proves to be the final straw.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51635: Feb 19th 2016 at 1:15:04 PM

We actually don't know what starts it, only what we've been told. Which could be right, could be wrong, could be deliberately wrong, whatever.

I remember back during Buffy the Vampire Slayer when they would release a bunch of fake spoilers to see where the leak was coming from. And I also remember a bunch of fake spoilers for Winter Soldier, like the bad guy actually being the Red Skull and Peter Quill appearing at the end.

edited 19th Feb '16 1:15:23 PM by alliterator

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51636: Feb 19th 2016 at 1:26:26 PM

Actually, we know exactly how it starts. The tie in comic ends with Cap and Falcon going to bring in Rumlow(who's now called Crossbones for some reason we'll probably never know)who they hear about while looking for Bucky and the first set photos we got was off Rumlow in costume and Falcon and Cap on set fighting him(with explosions and burning cars on the same set).

edited 19th Feb '16 1:51:04 PM by LordofLore

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#51637: Feb 19th 2016 at 1:29:19 PM

I hope Crossbones doesn't die. I want villains to liiiive.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51638: Feb 19th 2016 at 1:32:36 PM

I agree, especially since I enjoyed the actor in the role.

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#51639: Feb 19th 2016 at 1:41:17 PM

I wouldn't mind if he died, but I hope it isn't in the first few minutes as a suicide attack like was rumored.

Want him to stick around to the end and assassinate someone, if not Cap.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51640: Feb 19th 2016 at 1:45:28 PM

Eh, if they're going for a comic accurate(which they probably aren't)assassination of Cap they don't need him. They already have Sharon.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51641: Feb 19th 2016 at 1:48:52 PM

We actually don't know what starts it, only what we've been told. Which could be right, could be wrong, could be deliberately wrong, whatever.

We know the movie opens up with a fight against Crossbones in Nigeria. We know the prequel comic ends with the Avengers going to Nigeria to stop Crossbones, who is about to commit some big terrorist attack to get back at the Avengers. We know from set photos there's a scene where something big presumably blows up because there are images of Cap and a bunch of civilians looking to the sky in horror. This is also a movie where the inciting event is probably going to happen relatively quickly for the sake of setting up the main conflict.

It's pretty obvious what happens.

edited 19th Feb '16 1:49:41 PM by comicwriter

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#51642: Feb 19th 2016 at 1:59:28 PM

Eh, if they're going for a comic accurate(which they probably aren't)assassination of Cap they don't need him. They already have Sharon.

I get the feeling that, if they are going to do the assassination of Captain America, they're not going to have Sharon Carter be the killer. The reason why I think so is the 75th anniversary Captain America special they aired before the Agent Carter Season 2 premiere. It spoke a ton about Bucky, Bucky as Winter Soldier, Peggy Carter, Civil War, the death of Cap, etc, but barely even mentioned Sharon. Since the special was partly advertising hype for the upcoming Captain America: Civil War, not mentioning Sharon suggests she's not going to play as large a role as she did in the comics.

edited 19th Feb '16 2:00:05 PM by Tuckerscreator

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#51643: Feb 19th 2016 at 2:13:57 PM

Civil War IS a Dork Age,

I respectfully disagree, and I am pretty sure this trope is subjective to begin with.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51645: Feb 19th 2016 at 2:18:31 PM

We know the movie opens up with a fight against Crossbones in Nigeria.
No, we don't. We may know that there is a scene like that in the film, but we don't know if that's how the film opens. In fact, everything you just stated was supposition based on photos and spoilers, which could be fake. Again: we don't really know anything.

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#51646: Feb 19th 2016 at 2:22:52 PM

Hey guys, remember when the Iron Man 2 trailer had a scene where Pepper and Tony engage in some witty romantic banter on a plane, and then she kisses his helmet and throws it out the door, forcing him to fly down and catch it?

And remember when that scene didn't exist in the movie and, instead, Tony just leapt out the door in his Iron Man suit? And he didn't hook up with Pepper until the end of the film?

If you can't even trust a trailer, then set photos definitely shouldn't be considered as ironclad evidence of the film's direction. Stuff changes in postproduction.

edited 19th Feb '16 2:23:20 PM by TobiasDrake

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#51647: Feb 19th 2016 at 2:24:03 PM

Regarding Crossbones, the prequel comic makes him seem like the kind of guy who would pull a suicide attack and end it there in Nigeria rather than live on to remain a persistent threat. The comic also ends in Lagos, Nigeria with this bit. So safe to say that we have a good idea of the film's opening.

edited 19th Feb '16 2:26:23 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51648: Feb 19th 2016 at 2:26:50 PM

If you can't even trust a trailer, then set photos definitely shouldn't be considered as ironclad evidence of the film's direction. Stuff changes in postproduction.
No, we don't. We may know that there is a scene like that in the film, but we don't know if that's how the film opens.

Once again, the prequel comic ends with the Avengers going off to stop Crossbones from pulling off a terrorist attack in Nigeria and the caption "To be continued in Captain America: Civil War!"

Unless the prequel is not a prequel but something happening in the movie, then the fight with Crossbones in Nigeria happens at the beginning of the film.

edited 19th Feb '16 2:28:33 PM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51649: Feb 19th 2016 at 2:40:51 PM

[up]Or the beginning of the film is something completely different that doesn't involve Captain America. Or it's a flashback. Or it's a flashforward.

Again: we don't know.

edited 19th Feb '16 2:41:16 PM by alliterator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51650: Feb 19th 2016 at 2:57:32 PM

Or the beginning of the film is something completely different that doesn't involve Captain America. Or it's a flashback. Or it's a flashforward.

Yeah, and regardless of that, the Nigeria fight is going to take place very early on. That's where the event will occur.

edited 19th Feb '16 3:01:22 PM by comicwriter


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