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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#51601: Feb 18th 2016 at 10:10:08 AM

f I wanted to be a complete dick, I'd blow a dog whistle next to him and watch him flip his shit.

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#51602: Feb 18th 2016 at 10:18:24 AM

@Bocaj, thank you for always having the perfect quote and vaguely keeping Homestuck alive.

The Blog The Art
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#51603: Feb 18th 2016 at 10:30:20 AM

Always happy to

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#51604: Feb 18th 2016 at 2:37:40 PM

Matt just can't see where Frank is coming from.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#51605: Feb 18th 2016 at 2:55:42 PM

*badump-tssh*

Anyway, Kurt Russell's confirmed to play Star-Lord's father. Who's that going to be? My original theory was Adam Warlock to tie him into the greater Infinity mythos, but chances are if he's going to show up they'd use someone younger. And it also makes the theory he's Starfox doubtful.

edited 18th Feb '16 2:56:42 PM by AlleyOop

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51606: Feb 18th 2016 at 2:57:46 PM

[up]"Sources" said it actually. Not confirmed yet(but yes he probably is).

I'm guessing a very different Starhawk or a mostly original character. I'd say Mentor but not even Marvel are stupid enough to make Thanos and Quill brothers.

edited 18th Feb '16 3:01:13 PM by LordofLore

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#51607: Feb 18th 2016 at 4:15:14 PM

He could be a mix of Starfox and Starhawk. It's not like Thanos is from a moon of Saturn, so they could change more.

edited 18th Feb '16 4:18:35 PM by FoxBoxKid

Make mine Marvel.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#51608: Feb 18th 2016 at 4:56:04 PM

It frustrates me that most of MARVEL's female or characters of colour are tied up with the X-men at Fox, but fox don't seem to be doing anything with them outside of ensembles.

Fair, the obvious choice, a Mystique solo film, won't happen because Jennifer's latex allergy makes the role impractical for her, and the most recognised female characters are either tied to actresses who don't have the pull they once did (Hallie as storm, which is sadly probably the best character to adapt) or have new actresses not yet tested in the role (Sophie as Jean Grey, or again, Storm)

Ellen as Shadowcat is probably the best bet. The character isn't too obscure, Ellen is super well known. The character doesn't exactly lend herself to a genre like other characters do. (though I'd have said the same about Gambit)

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51609: Feb 18th 2016 at 5:08:07 PM

To be fair, Marvel doesn't really do much with them outside of ensembles either. Outside of the unfortunately short-lived Storm series from last year, the X-women generally aren't solo players.

As a whole, any X-Man not named "Wolverine" has historically had a hard time standing on their own as a solo property, except for a few stand-outs like Deadpool and Cable.

edited 18th Feb '16 5:09:08 PM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#51610: Feb 18th 2016 at 5:18:03 PM

I guess Mystique is the easiest character ever to recast after Jenny leaves this summer. I'm guessing with Deadpool now a franchise they'll want to flesh out the 2010s with a cast of mutants they can dip into.

And you are depressingly right. There isn't a lot of female solo stuff. Still, Fox is the only one of the three studios without a token female led solo film in their slate.

My guess is that they'll maybe recast Mystique post Apocalypse if audience reaction to her makes the hat trick and move the character to Deadpool's era, hopefully in time for the X-force team up with Wade, Cable and Gambit? I'm kind of curious for an eighty year old immortal Mystique with a fresh actress' take.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#51611: Feb 18th 2016 at 5:59:10 PM

If they figure their Gambit mess out soon enough to make to the movie.

Crow: There's a plot?
FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#51612: Feb 18th 2016 at 7:03:26 PM

I think it would be cool if they incorporated elements of The Infinity Watch into Guardians 3. Maybe call it Guardians of Infinity. I don't think they'd have Thanos join the team, though.

Make mine Marvel.
lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#51613: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:11:08 AM

The problem with fox's X-men is that they focus too much on one or two characters. Even First Class and Days of Future Past do it. Damn near every other character might as well be furniture or sophisticated robots posing as people. It's why I refer to the first 5 movies as Wolverine 1 - 5.

There are some many wasted opportunities in these movies.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51614: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:59:08 AM

Yeah, that's the reason why I don't like the X-men movies. That and the lack of actual substance under all the action. But then, I am really hard to please in general.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#51615: Feb 19th 2016 at 9:06:14 AM

The Fox films only ever focus on Logan Xavier or Erik. Futures Past at least elevated Raven a fair bit.

You'd think the solution would be to have solo movies for the minor characters so they have more to stand on. I would love to see Knightcrawler be a pirate or Storm be worshiped as a Goddess, or Jubilee... become a vampire?

Scott and Jean have a disadvantage of not having much to do outside of the X-men plots anyway.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#51616: Feb 19th 2016 at 9:17:45 AM

Yeah, first class and day of future past are good because the cast is small buit when they got big the rest of the chararter feel...just....there.

That is why Im not trusting apocalypse movie, is will be "three chararter"+Xmen

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#51617: Feb 19th 2016 at 9:41:16 AM

Actually I kinda disagree; the X-Men movies, at least most of them, HAVE substance beyond all the fight. Also, while it's true that they tend to focus on one character or two over the rest, I would like to point out that unlike Avengers, they didn't have the luxury to have each character introduced in a separate movie.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#51619: Feb 19th 2016 at 9:49:37 AM

I find personally I want the X-men films to be more political and spend more time discussing ethics. The first film and more so First Class were very good for this, but that doesn't seem to be as much a priority at the moment.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#51621: Feb 19th 2016 at 10:04:31 AM

It's still an awesome cover. I remember the first time I saw it.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#51622: Feb 19th 2016 at 10:46:32 AM

There are probably worse covers to call back to. No harm in acknowledging that Civil War got some things right.

Oh God! Natural light!
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#51623: Feb 19th 2016 at 11:45:49 AM

Honestly I think people are being harsh with the Civil War comics. Don't get me wrong, it HAD some issues, but going as far as calling it a Dork Age? Yeah, sorry, there has been much worse, both before and after. I personally enjoyed the main book.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#51624: Feb 19th 2016 at 12:09:04 PM

I am hyped for Civil War 2. I kind of wish it wasn't Tony leading one of the sides again though.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51625: Feb 19th 2016 at 12:10:26 PM

Civil War IS a Dork Age, but I don't know why anyone thought they wouldn't call back to it seeing as how they're, ya know, making a movie out of it.


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