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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#51551: Feb 17th 2016 at 1:49:27 PM

[up][up] Moondragn was a bit of both. If I remember correctly, she actually killed Drax; she burnt his brain out.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51552: Feb 17th 2016 at 1:53:37 PM

JG will create his own version of the character anyway, adding what he likes and leaves out what he doesn't like.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#51553: Feb 17th 2016 at 1:56:41 PM

Wait, is Moondragon even appearing in GOTG Vol. 2?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51554: Feb 17th 2016 at 1:57:10 PM

I'm saying Moondragon, because Gunn did say that this movie would be about "fathers" and the relationship between Drax and Moondragon is basically father/daughter.

But her backstory would probably be as drastically changed as Drax's was. She can't be Heather Douglas - in fact, Drax names his daughter as Kamaria (a sly nod to Cammi, who was adopted by Drax during Annihilation).

Wait, is Moondragon even appearing in GOTG Vol. 2?
We don't know who any of the new characters are, aside from Mantis. Gunn said that there would only be one new member of the Guardians, but Moondragon doesn't have to be a member to show up.

edited 17th Feb '16 2:06:34 PM by alliterator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51555: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:08:45 PM

I assumed she's not gonna be Proxima Midnight because she's too similar to the MCU versions of Yondu and Nebula.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#51557: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:26:11 PM

So Mantis started out as white? What happened to make her skin change to green?

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51558: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:32:13 PM

She came back from ascending/being a spirit by creating a new body out of plants so she could give birth to her new child. Happened in the Silver Surfer book IIRC.

edited 17th Feb '16 2:34:14 PM by LordofLore

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#51559: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:33:23 PM

Ascending?

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51560: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:36:01 PM

It was a weird story. The wiki says it best:

Returning to Earth, Mantis discovered that she buried Swordsman in the garden where the eldest Cotati had lived, and that same Cotati had taken telepathic control over Swordsman's body. Mantis, now having accepted her fate as the Celestial Madonna, agreed to marry the Cotati. She had her marriage alongside the Vision and Scarlet Witch. Afterward, they left the Earth to mate.

However, it was only their spirits that left Earth. Their bodies remained on Earth, and would later be buried by the Priests of Pama. After conceiving the child with the Cotati spirit, Mantis' spirit returned to her body in Earth to bear the child. However, Mantis had to create a simulacrum, a body out of vegetation, in order for the embryo to live in a suitable womb. For months, Mantis carried the child, and when the child was born, they isolated themselves in a suburban house in Connecticut, where Mantis would raise the child. Not long after, the Cotati people decided to take the child from Mantis in order for it to develop its plant aspect. Feeling restless and unfulfilled, Mantis left her body, and her spirit went off into space seeking new adventures.

She could pretty much change her color due to the old artists forgetting if she was supposed to be green or normal after this story. Post-Annihilation she's always green(but has only been seen twice since the Dn A book ended both of which are in those outfit pictures)

edited 17th Feb '16 2:43:31 PM by LordofLore

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#51561: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:38:31 PM

...

wut

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#51562: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:42:34 PM

I don't think she's ever been "White" though. She's always been Vietnamese. it's just now she's Green.

edited 17th Feb '16 2:42:42 PM by Hodor2

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51563: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:44:57 PM

She's half Vietnamese isn't she? Her father is German.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51564: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:48:39 PM

Vietnamese/German but yes[nja]. Of course with the way she was drawn and colored back in the day you'd think she was as american as Captain America.

The main thing that marked her as coming from Vietnam(she lived with a cult her whole childhood)was her martial arts which is pretty much a stereotype these days and having slightly different eyes years later when the art changed a bit.

edited 17th Feb '16 2:52:36 PM by LordofLore

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#51565: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:56:13 PM

I really, really like her new outfit.

Its damn stylish.

Also I hope she isn't green in the movie.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51566: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:59:36 PM

I like it(could show off more of her long legs thoughtongue) but I just wish they got their own book instead of having to deal with Bendis and his guardians once or twice every 12 issues before disappearing. They'll always be side characters to his until the MCU uses them at which point the character will suddenly get way more focus.

When Guardians of Infinity gets cancelled I hope Abnett gets to do something with them instead of jumping ship all the way to DC for real.

The Moondragon outfit on the other hand is way too old school after her body armor and cloaks during the wars. She needs some of her old stuff back(including her girlfriend).

edited 17th Feb '16 3:04:46 PM by LordofLore

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#51567: Feb 17th 2016 at 3:00:54 PM

I'd actually be tempted into reading Bendis' guardians if Mantis (and Cosmo) were in it.

Also resurrect Phyla-Vell and put her and Moondragon on the team.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51568: Feb 17th 2016 at 3:04:13 PM

Bendis is never putting them on the team when he can joke about having a team with "Jews In Space" instead. He's in charge of like a sixth of all Marvel books now so I'm still angry about him being on the book still after pretty much every critic said "You don't fit here. Try someone else so the book will be better".

edited 17th Feb '16 3:09:46 PM by LordofLore

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#51569: Feb 17th 2016 at 3:15:48 PM

I'm wondering if Mantis will still be a Vietnamese human in the movie or if she'll be an alien who happens to resemble Asian Earthlings.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51570: Feb 17th 2016 at 3:17:48 PM

Alien. Gunn only wants one human in space so Quill can be special(even though Quill is most likely half alien).

Edit: Just checked tumblr for the first time today and man, people really want Debicki to be Phyla-Vel.

edited 17th Feb '16 3:26:47 PM by LordofLore

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
Philosophy Enthusiast
#51571: Feb 17th 2016 at 3:36:36 PM

I was talking with my friend about Guardians 2, and when I suggested the Magus and the Universal Church of Truth as the villains, he said that the Universal Church of Truth sounded stupid.

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#51572: Feb 17th 2016 at 3:45:54 PM

Also I hope she isn't green in the movie.

Why not?

Some people like green tomatoes.

(snrrksnrrksnrrk)

edited 17th Feb '16 3:47:08 PM by HextarVigar

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51573: Feb 17th 2016 at 3:47:03 PM

Just checked tumblr for the first time today and man, people really want Debicki to be Phyla-Vel.
If they are hoping for space lesbians, then they do know that it was Phyla-Vell and Moondragon, right? (Also, Moondragon is more of a space bisexual.)

Also, I don't know if I can see them introducing Phyla-Vell before introducing Mar-Vell, but perhaps.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#51574: Feb 17th 2016 at 3:49:29 PM

Because we already have one and a half green people.

Because we don't need another POC covered up in makeup.

And because there's kind of an unfortunate association with yellow peril characters being turned green. See also: the Mandarin sometimes, Prince Xizor, Ming the Merciless.

And also puns about green thumbs

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51575: Feb 17th 2016 at 3:55:07 PM

[up][up]Oh they seem to know(also wow even after Gunn said Carol isn't in Vol 2 due to a bunch of reasons, the fans keep wanting her to be in it).

edited 17th Feb '16 3:55:23 PM by LordofLore


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