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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51501: Feb 16th 2016 at 12:00:12 PM

Not really. You'd just need to time it correctly. Frodo can die, and you have the rest of the story being about Sam struggling to live up to his master's last wishes, fueled only by his memory, and Boromir becomes The Atoner for his actions and subsequently becoming the one member of the group most willing to destroy the ring and most resistant to his corruption as a result of his massive guilt. Now would this make a better story? I don't know (probably not, I'd guess), but it has interesting potential and dramaticity of its own.

I don't understand the idea that Boromir was "designated" to die. He just does. There's no huge red flag on his head that he will die (at best there's the fact he is in Aragorn's way when it comes to becoming King, but that's fairly minor) and the story never treats him as a dead man. You could argue he still has plot left, like coming to terms with the fact the Ring is evil and convicing Denethor of such, and his growing friendship with Pippin and Merry, e.t.c.. I don't think any well-written story (except Lovecraftian-ish horror, in which everybody is designated to die or go insane or a story with a plot point specifically about that character's morality) has anyone "designated" to die. They just do.

Now, Thor probably isn't "designated" to die. But I'd still love to see him grimly looking towards a oncoming foe, realizing what's about to happen, look back to his friends and loved ones, givng a Grin of Audacity and charging headfront, pulling a You Shall Not Pass! against the horde ((probably as this plays), taking as many as he can as he is slowly overwhelmed before deciding to Go Out with a Smile in the most Viking way possible.

edited 16th Feb '16 12:03:02 PM by Gaon

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#51502: Feb 16th 2016 at 12:27:39 PM

I think Infinity War is the last place anyone should be dying, personally.

Considering the entire conflict revolves around an item that warps reality, it really strikes me as a stretch that anyone could die and not be brought back by the end of Part II.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51503: Feb 16th 2016 at 12:32:02 PM

Infinity war is more or less the only movie in which a character can die and the audience believes that it will stick.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#51504: Feb 16th 2016 at 1:35:51 PM

Boromir is destined to die because he's played by Sean Bean.

On that note though, I thought Quicksilver's death was effective because of that similar element to Boromir- the character has this Heel Realization and wants to make amends and while I wouldn't say they are suicidal, they really embrace the Redemption Equals Death as the best outcome they expect/"deserve".

Also, it was a nice Whedon touch to have Quicksilver's death joked about previously, including in the context of Hawkeye killing him because he's annoying- and then turning that around to have Quicksilver making a Heroic Sacrifice while saving Hawkeye's life.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51505: Feb 16th 2016 at 1:43:05 PM

[up] To be fair, that bit was improvised by Jeremy Renner.

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#51506: Feb 16th 2016 at 1:50:37 PM

I still love that scene.

"Nobody would have to know. 'I don't know what happened. Last time I saw him, Ultron was sitting on him!'"

Given his tragic backstory, there is a somewhat bitter irony in the fact that a Stark-designed WMD is ultimately what killed Quicksilver after all. Like, in a sense, the bomb finally exploded. It just took a decade or so.

edited 16th Feb '16 1:52:29 PM by TobiasDrake

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#51507: Feb 16th 2016 at 2:17:26 PM

Since when are Quinjets WMDs?

edited 16th Feb '16 2:17:39 PM by higherbrainpattern

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#51508: Feb 16th 2016 at 2:17:50 PM

=(

why

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#51509: Feb 16th 2016 at 2:18:36 PM

[up][up] They aren't, but Ultron is.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#51511: Feb 16th 2016 at 2:35:50 PM

Speaking of Quicksilver; I've been contemplating why the characters would come down on the sides they do in Civil War. In thinking about Wanda, I just now thought of probably the most obvious reason she would choose Team Cap: Barton took his side, and she wasn't about to fight against the man her brother gave his life to save.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51513: Feb 16th 2016 at 2:50:18 PM

[up] And everything he stands for. And she thinks his beard is stupid.

Plus, she owes her freedom and the the lives of her whole people to the Avengers charging in and saving the day on their own terms even when then entire world was mad at them, so Stark going "the world is mad at us, so we're going to submit to government control" would probably piss her off.

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#51514: Feb 16th 2016 at 2:51:48 PM

Yeah. Given her never-addressed issues with Stark, taking his side wasn't a very probable circumstance in any situation where the alternative isn't an apocalyptic megalomaniac.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51515: Feb 16th 2016 at 2:56:51 PM

[up][up]Steve was also the only member of the team who seemed sympathetic to their situation and understood why they were working for HYDRA, even if he didn't condone it.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#51516: Feb 16th 2016 at 3:00:51 PM

I'm so glad that Tony Stark is In-Universe, being treated like a villain by several other characters.

Which makes the state of the fandom that likes to demonize Tony even more hilarious.

edited 16th Feb '16 3:01:15 PM by higherbrainpattern

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51517: Feb 16th 2016 at 3:09:22 PM

Antony Mackie thinks, btw, that Iron Man and Winter Soldier are the best MCU movies - and that Civil war is even better.

I think the only surprise in the line-up is Natasha with Tony, but it makes kind of sense. She is the type of character who would work the system instead of rebelling against it without careful thought.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51518: Feb 16th 2016 at 3:14:11 PM

It was rumored Civil War was testing very well so hopefully that holds up.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51519: Feb 16th 2016 at 3:16:21 PM

The end of Winter Soldier aside, Natasha's always been the "loyal agent" type. In the big argument scene in Avengers, she was the only one siding with Fury, and she specifically supported SHIELD controlling major threats.

edited 16th Feb '16 3:16:52 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51520: Feb 16th 2016 at 3:19:30 PM

She's very much a Pragmatic Hero, and there's a line in the trailer where she tells Steve to stay out of it because things are about to get messy.

I can buy her siding with Tony just because she's probably enough of a realist that she thinks the government control is inevitable and that there's no point fighting against it.

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#51521: Feb 16th 2016 at 3:28:18 PM

Keep in mind that the battle lines are being drawn not just over the Accords but over Bucky.

She might just think he's guilty.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#51522: Feb 16th 2016 at 3:35:02 PM

Quicksilver's death held no real significance to me. It came in that weird part of the movie where Ultron had been defeated, but he was still running around doing stuff because... there still needed to be a threat aside from the city going Lucifer's Hammer on Earth? It felt almost thrown in there because they needed him, or just someone in general, to die. It surprised me, but only because it felt like they were discarding a perfectly viable character.

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#51524: Feb 16th 2016 at 4:39:53 PM

1st poster: Don't break your neck, Falcon.

2nd poster: What is Sharon holding? Some kind of lightsaber / snareline?

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#51525: Feb 16th 2016 at 4:52:54 PM

Anyway I think Quicksilver will revive in the film of the Inhumans.

  • Quicksilver: I'm alive. I'll tell my sister.
  • Medusa: I'm sorry, but your sister will not know of your existence in the next four years. (Or six)
  • Quicksilver: Why.? It's not fair.
  • Coulson: crybaby.


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