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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
From Odin's talk to Jane it seems The Dark Elves existed in the abject darkness that existed before the universe came around, and basically find all of creation to be revoltingly repulsive.
They basically want to go home, is their motivation, but home here means "the vast nothingness after a universe ceases to exist"
"All you Fascists bound to lose."He's also playing a character famous for death fakeouts, so nobody would really buy it.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The cat Loki thing reminds me of what happened when Thor, Thor and Loki showed up in Squirrelgirl. Squirrelgirl's friend was marvelling at Loki's shape-shifting and asked if he could take the shape of her fan-fiction character, Cat Thor. Loki spent the rest of the comic with a big cat head, a tiny hammer and Thor's classic helmet, amusing Thor and infuriating Thor to no end.
edited 15th Feb '16 5:08:18 PM by Zeromaeus
If they have to kill off someone, it should be someone really big. Otherwise don't even bother. That's the problem I have when these death discussions come up.
It's always argued paradoxically that the movies need a big death to hammer home the seriousness or add some genuine stakes, and at the same time, that the death needs to be someone who isn't important or doesn't have a franchise hinging on them. The first argument everyone makes for killing off people like Hawkeye or War Machine or even Black Widow is supposedly that they're redundant or don't bring anything to the team, or are expendable because they don't have their own movie franchises. I usually see some variation of the phrase "X could be killed without really altering the group dynamic or changing anything too drastically."
That's exactly what you don't want if your goal for killing a character is to spark an emotional reaction from the audience or raise stakes or make a big impact on the movie. Otherwise it's just killing off cannon fodder for the hell of it.
I mean, are there very many people who genuinely think Quicksilver's death was well done and meaningful? It was killing off the one genuinely safe choice.
edited 16th Feb '16 10:56:18 AM by comicwriter
I thought it was decent.
I disagree however with the argument that Nick Fury isn't a major character (Or Hawkeye and Widow for that matter). Nick Fury's the guy who brought them together, he's the unflappable master spy, the guy who gets them resources, the Big Good to not only The Avengers but Coulson's Neo-SHIELD, the works. As far as deaths go he'd the most major short of one of the Avengers themselves (for that matter I think Vision is also probably doomed).
The thing isn't necessairily that deaths have to happen for any dramatic situation, but that this is a conflict that's been built up ad infinitum since '2012''. The Infinity War, the war of all wars, the Avengers's biggest foe yet, their greatest battle. It'd feel very underwhelming if Thanos went by and the Avengers didn't lose anything of real value. He's supposed to be their ultimate enemy, and fightng him is their Darkest Hour. Something has to die for that feel to be achieved, otherwise it just feels like Status Quo Is God.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I wouldn't say Fury isn't a major character. He definitely is. But again, he's a "safe" choice. He's not physically powerful and he's not someone they're hinging a movie franchise on.
Now if they seriously killed one of the "Big 4"? That would seriously shock me and tell me this is a case where Thanos plays for keeps and that shit is about to get real.
I have said it before and I'll say it again: Death is the most boring of consequences. Kill a character off and you can't do anything with him or her anymore. Steve and Peggy being forced away from each other, living their lives separated by time is a great consequence. SHIELD falling apart is a great consequence. The death of Frigga was well-done, but not because her character was so important, but because of the way she died, to be precise, what laid to it. Loki being partly responsible for the death of the one person he knew still loved him, no matter what, that's its own kind of tragic.
I said before that War Machine is my favourite candidate for dying in Civil war, not just because I wouldn't miss him (so his death wouldn't take any particular important story-line from me), but because this would impact Tony more than anyone else dying as the consequence of his and Steve's actions. But I have to amend that: Even better would be if her got hurt so badly, that in future his suit is no longer just a weapon, but something he needs to stand at all.
And, btw, other than Steve ending up in the ice, the most emotional "death" in the MCU is Groot sacrificing himself. This scene works not because someone is "dying", but because of the emotional underpinning.
For me Quicksilver death as intersting but waaaaay to dramatic, like "HAWKEYE IS GOING TO DIE....NO WAY IS BLACKWIDOW...NO WAY IS WANDA.....WHO COULD BE?" it was too long to actually cared.
But on the other hand, I prefer Quicksilver over Wanda because she brainswashed Hulk and the other and yet the movie just wash away her deeds, at least his brother look like he actually help.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Since people liked seeing how comic!Groot met Rocket the first time on paper last time, here is the history of "I Am Groot"
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edited 16th Feb '16 11:24:34 AM by LordofLore
I agree death is a last resort but I disagree that death is a inherently boring consequence.
I for one think it is fantastic to see these larger-than-life, bombastic icons of righteousness finally coming to terms with their own mortality, To borrow a bit from the Joker, when people are about to die, they tend to show who they really are, in a way.
For a quick cinematographic adaptation example, Boromir is a great, nuanced character with his own demons and heroes, excellently portrayed by Sean Bean, and I'd love to have seen more of him but, his death is by far his character's absolute finest hour. Honorably and selflessly showing his valor by dying for his comrades and dying giving one final, tearjerking speech to Aragorn, finally acknowledging Aragorn as "his king...his captain". It also serves to show how utterly screwed everything is, as Boromir falls and the Fellowship breaks, and that the Orcs aren't fucking around.
That's a magnificent moment that's only allowed by killing a character. To have a character face death, be it with dignity or despair, is often the best thing to do to a character.
edited 16th Feb '16 11:31:47 AM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."

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Well, the Dark Elves' main goal was to destroy the universe.
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