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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
If I were to sit down and wrangle amateur psychological diagnosis for Marvel villains, I'd guess Loki has something akin to Borderline Personality Disorder
, due his fear of abandonement, often aggressive and rash behavior extreme thoughts, and hidden self-loathing;
Either way, the word Banner used was "crazy."
<.< It's a peeve of mine. I live with a paranoid schizophrenic. It agitates me to no end to see mental illness constantly conflated with murderous, megalomaniacal, or otherwise selfish behavior - not only in fiction but on the news as well, such as when the issue of gun control as it relates to our recent rash of shootings is sidestepped in favor of, "It's all the fault of the mentally ill! We should persecute them so they can't shoot people anymore!" despite few indications that mental illness was even a factor in most of the shootings.
So when I see claims that Loki killed 80 people because he's ambiguously "insane" and not because Loki is a murderous asshole whose previous, "non-insane" appearance featured an attempt to commit actual genocide, it rubs me the wrong way because it's contributing to the social acceptance that all mentally ill people are time bombs waiting to explode and kill a bunch of children.
edited 15th Feb '16 12:07:56 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Context matters.
Thor was on a mission of retaliation. He went straight to their king and demanded answers for a Frost Giant insurgency into his lands. He went about things the wrong way and learning humility was a key part of his arc, but he didn't just touch down on Jotunheim and set out to murder every Jotun with his bare hands.
Loki attempted to murder an entire planet of sapient lifeforms in cold blood in the hopes that it would make his daddy proud. His crimes in Avengers are actually a step down on the atrocity scale, but nobody cares about his attempted genocide because What Measure Is a Non-Human?
edited 15th Feb '16 12:17:44 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Markedly it's an attempted genocide that still kind of happened. When we cut to Jotunheim we actually see their world being slowly destroyed by the wave of the Bifrost.
A great way of not making it not seem like What Measure Is a Non-Human? is to have a factor in Ragnarok Laufey's successor (whoever that might be) wanting Loki to pay for his crimes (after they discover Odin's actually Loki).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."![]()
I object on the basis that
◊ we need dogs
◊ in Asgard first.
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edited 15th Feb '16 12:40:10 PM by LordofLore
A great way of not making it not seem like What Measure Is a Non-Human? is to have a factor in Ragnarok Laufey's successor (whoever that might be) wanting Loki to pay for his crimes (after they discover Odin's actually Loki).
They did a decent job of that in Loki's trial. It's a short scene, so there's not a lot of time to approach the issue, but I like how Odin handles it. Loki wants to make it just about Earth,
- "I went down down to Midgard to rule the people of Earth as a benevolent God. Just like you."
but Odin refuses to be baited and uses broad speech in his accusations.
- "Do you not truly feel the gravity of your crimes? Wherever you go there is war, ruin and death."
- "Thor must strive to undo the damage you have done. He’ll bring order to the nine realms and then, yes, he will be King."
Odin's words make it clear he's not just upset about the fuss on Midgard and that the Nine Realms are in disarray because of the overall effects of Loki's actions and choices. Using the Bifrost as a Death Star probably has more to do with why the Nine Realms are in such upheaval than the Chitauri invasion of Earth.
edited 15th Feb '16 12:43:01 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Or a buddy cop flick! Fury and Banner driving around the Nine Realms in a pickup truck, running into trouble.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub."Thor was on a mission of retaliation. He went straight to their king and demanded answers for a Frost Giant insurgency into his lands."
But Thor was expecting things go out of hand and in a way he wanted it, in a "we come arounf, beat some heads and leave, That would teach them" Thor is bully or even worst in that scene
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"He's definitely a bully. The Jotun insurgency wounded his ego, so his plan was to walk in and throw his weight around until Laufey pleads forgiveness and swears to never do it again, then go home.
It was a politically f*cktarded decision that risked out-and-out war between their nations, which is why Odin sent him on his mission to learn some humility. However, it's still a far cry from attempting to murder the entire planet in cold blood via apocalyptic space laser.
edited 15th Feb '16 1:37:49 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Jackson only has 1 more movie in his contract if he shows up in Thor 3, right? Do we expect him to die in IW 1 to show that things are getting real? It's SLJ so him signing a new deal wouldn't be out of the question.
edited 15th Feb '16 2:30:10 PM by LordofLore
A bunch of MCU actors extended their contracts a while ago, he might've been among them since he seems to be one of the guys doing it for Awesome, Dear Boy.
I do think narratively speaking Nick Fury is one of the characters prime to kill off. He's a Badass Normal and he tends to act as the team's "boss" (in the sense he tends to act as a backer of sorts), but he isn't the main hero of any franchise. So killing him off would both be dramatically heavy, possible and financially feasible.
I think at least some two or three major characters should die over the course of Infinity War. It's a war, and one for the fate of the universe. There should be casualties.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I think it depends on how they play it. Using his death to signal how screwed everything is, and someone fearfully asks Fury if he can't fake his death again, and he clarifies that no, this time he can't. This time he's going down with the ship, there's no grand The Chessmaster ol' Fury scheme or ace in the hole to save him. He ran out of ways out and there's no Xanatos Gambit at play anywhere. Fury, after spending his entire life playing long cons and hiding behind layers of secrets, has ran out of cards to play for the first time, so he accepts his defeat and makes his last play.
It'd at least be interesting seeing Fury like that, facing something he can't outplan.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Insane is a word with several definitions, both general and contextual. Using it in a general sense does not necessarily imply that someone is referring to medical or legal insanity, nor should it be to expected to, but it does get confusing.
Either way, the word Banner used was "crazy."
edited 15th Feb '16 11:59:38 AM by KnownUnknown