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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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A Kid Loki movie would make all the money. You'd only need one lead, Tom Hiddleston, who has proven popular, and you could explore is dark, brooding, leather covered past.
Seriously though, in a Kid Loki movie he would play Ikol, but either way he wouldn't be the lead. He'd be more of an Enemy Within Big Bad.
I don't know what teams he was or wasn't on in the comics, but a Young Avengers movie with Kid Loki, Amadeus Cho and Cassie Lang (plus two or three more) would be an interesting Phase 4 or 5 movie.
edited 14th Feb '16 10:22:03 PM by KnownUnknown
Doesn't help that there apparently were scenes in Avengers implying Loki was a more complicated than he seemed that got cut out, or the fact that some of his lines seem like they were written to set up a punchline, regardless of the effect they'd have on his characterization. I'd lean towards Anti-Villain because of that.
Something that I find curious about Loki, is that writers don't can decide whether Loki is a monster or a sympathetic character.
Easy, he's both. What people fail to understand is that you don't need to be a Complete Monster to commit atrocities. Loki has a sympathetic backstory and you can genuinely feel sorry for him on some aspects, but that doesn't make what he did in New York forgivable. That's the difference between Anti-Hero and Anti-Villain: the former is more inclined toward the hero side of the balance (jerky and can be morally ambiguous, but usually does the right thing in the end), while the latter is more toward the villain side (sympathetic, but still commit unjustified horrible acts). Now, the question is in which direction he will evolve later on.
edited 15th Feb '16 2:09:24 AM by Theokal3
Which would be a good way to do it. It's similar to a pitch idea I had about a Punisher TV series I talked about a while back, where the focus would be on police investigators tasked with apprehending the Punisher and a three-pronged conflict between the police, the Punisher, and organized crime. But with DareDevil instead of police investigators.
That's the best way to do a Punisher story, really. As a Static Character, Castle gets boring when too much focus is placed on him. It can be cool to see his methods, preparation, and strategies, but as a character, you always know what he's going to do. He's as much of a character as, say, a tornado in a disaster movie; destruction porn aside, what makes him interesting is how he influences the lives of other characters forced to react to him.
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He is right, though. Saying that Marvel takes itself serious in their movies is ridiculous. It takes the comic material serious instead of acting ashamed of it, but that is not the same. Marvel has never been afraid to crack a joke or subvert good old comic book tropes. "I am Iron Man" being the most famous example of it, but by far not the only one.
edited 15th Feb '16 7:53:14 AM by Swanpride
So are we still against the idea of The Punisher's family getting killed by off-duty HYDRA goons who wanted to kill a Navy veteran's family because it's fun? Or by followers of Fisk?
(Just to clarify, I know Frank's family got killed by mobsters because they saw things they shouldn't have seen. It's just part of me still thinks the whole getting HYDRA goons to do the deed would be an ok way of meshing the Netflix shows with the rest of the MCU.)
Also, Elektra-focused trailer in 10 days! Just the way she said "Hello, Matthew" in the end makes me think Elodie's Elektra is gonna blow Jennifer Garner's Elektra out of the water.
edited 15th Feb '16 8:29:43 AM by TargetmasterJoe
The point of Castle's family being killed in the crossfire of a mob war is that there is no one specific person or organization responsible for it. If, say, Baron Germanschire of Hydra had them killed for lulz, then Castle could set out on a vengeance quest against Baron Germanschire, get his revenge, and move on with his life.
That they were killed by random, violent crime resulted in Castle declaring war on the abstract concept of random, violent crime. Making their deaths intentional instead of accidental undermines the principle of the Punisher as an ongoing vigilante lifestyle instead of a one-time cowboy film.
Also, having them killed by terrorists such as Hydra would set Castle against terrorism, not crime.
Also also, "They did it 'cause they're evil" is the worst justification for any villainous action. Having a bunch of evil dudes kill a veteran's family just 'cause that's what evil thinks is fun is terrible writing.
edited 15th Feb '16 8:32:55 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Plus the whole point of Punisher's family being killed was something the law should have stopped. That's what destroys his faith in the system and leads him to believe that the only way to stop crime is to murder the people who do it.
Shadowy assassins working for a Nazi super science paramilitary organization isn't really something that fits that.

Something that I find curious about Loki, is that writers don't can decide whether Loki is a monster or a sympathetic character.
In Ragnarok, Loki may well be member of a Big Bad Duumvirate along with Hela, or one of the heroes who try to stop her.