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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#51326: Feb 11th 2016 at 5:46:07 AM

On the Mar-Vell thing, I've brought up before but I've always been in the "we don't need him" camp because as I have always said "What Has He Done For Me Lately?"

I've heard more about Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel in my life than Mar-Vell which is saying something because is not like she gets that many apperances in adaptations. But she's had enough to leave the impression that she existed which is more Mar-Vell ever did.

My first experience with Carol was in the 90s X-Men cartoon because it turned out Rogue wasn't always strong, invulnerable, and could fly, back in her morally dubious days she put Ms. Marvel in a coma for a long term semi-permanent power up.

Years later I started reading the New Avengers volumes and she showed up eventually as an on/off member, I got to read her blogging about fighting Dr. Klaw and she used her energy converting powers to try to absorb what Xorn was slinging.

Then the awesome EMH cartoon happened. Wow, NOW Mar-Vell shows up. As mostly as a harbinger of the Kree and provide powers and pathos for Carol.

And then I picked up the LEGO Marvel Superheroes game. You know who's unlockable? Carol. You know who never even shows up? Mar-Vell.

You know the only time Mar-Vell came up in my many years of superhero obsessions was because I was researching DC's infinitely more interesting Captain Marvel.

Mar-Vell's only interesting contributions to the Marvel universe's lore both in comics and adaptations have been his spawn either in powers (Carol) or otherwise (Noh-Varr/Protector).

There are so many ways that Carol can get powers these days that Mar-Vell's role in the upcoming movie would be virtually unnecessary and I wouldn't want him accidentally overshadowing Carol in any way. Non-geeks could get so easily confused by the name thing alone, why complicate it?

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51327: Feb 11th 2016 at 6:42:09 AM

This by the way is 616!Carol's superpower origin(she had been in the Captain Marvel stories since the start but this was where she became a hybrid of human and kree and got her powers)seen while going back in time in one of her first issues after taking the name:

  1. Yon-Rogg(the first Mar-Vell enemy and also the arc villain of Carol once she becomes Captain Marvel)
  2. The Mandroid(and remembering a friend she never got to say goodbye to and who she keeps thinking she could've saved)
  3. The fight starts(and showing how Carol can't help wanting to protect)
  4. The fight goes on(and present!Carol gets the choice of never getting her powers if she wants to be normal)
  5. A friend wounded
  6. Courage
  7. Saving a friend by being willing to give your life for them
  8. Explosion and powers
  9. Survive

edited 11th Feb '16 9:52:45 AM by LordofLore

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#51328: Feb 11th 2016 at 7:19:12 AM

@What should Mar-Vell do: They could have him crash on Earth after being attacked by whatever threat the movie has in store. In the first act he'd grant Carol his powers and give her some training in how to use them. Then around the midway point he'd die and she'd have to figure things out for herself.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#51329: Feb 11th 2016 at 7:30:31 AM

Probably wont happen, but they could just make her a previous guest at TAHITI.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#51330: Feb 11th 2016 at 7:33:30 AM

Like I said earlier, making Carol Inhuman would be the smoothest option.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#51332: Feb 11th 2016 at 8:05:15 AM

[up] I mean, don't they have to buy their own tickets to Marvel Studios movies anyway?

edited 11th Feb '16 8:06:04 AM by yellowturtle

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51333: Feb 11th 2016 at 8:06:19 AM

Nope, they get private screenings.

edited 11th Feb '16 8:06:49 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51334: Feb 11th 2016 at 8:07:49 AM

That's more of a discussion for the Deadpool thread.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51335: Feb 11th 2016 at 8:55:03 AM

If they include Mar-Vell, I don't want him to simply give Carol the power because she happens to be there. I want for her what is the case for most male superheroes but very rare for female ones, that she gets the power as a reflection of what she is and as a result of her actions and choices. Think about it, Natasha and Gamora were turned into what they were, Quake had at least partly some agenda in what happened to her, but her change was mostly the result of the actions of her father, Peggy, the Cavalry and Mockingbird have no superpowers and Jessica got hers by accident. One could make a case for Scarlett Witch choosing hers, but "picking questionable allies out of anger" is not really a heroic origin story. I want for Captain Marvel something along the line of Captain America or Iron Man, a heroine of her own making.

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#51336: Feb 11th 2016 at 9:03:08 AM

[up]That's why I had the idea of her getting her powers like the Hulk in the comics, i.e. saving Rick Jones from an explosion.

Also, Thanos was created to be Mar-Vell's enemy. It would be remiss to leave Mar-Vell (or Adam Warlock for that matter) out of the MCU.

edited 11th Feb '16 9:19:24 AM by FoxBoxKid

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#51337: Feb 11th 2016 at 9:39:25 AM

[up]I think there's a good place for him in the first part of Infinity War, I just don't want to run the risk of him outshinning Carol Danvers in her own movie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51338: Feb 11th 2016 at 9:42:14 AM

[up][up]My suggestion was for her trying to shield him, but the weapon kills him anyway because he is alien, but she gets his powers due to being so close to him when it hits. I would like the tragic element in this.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#51340: Feb 11th 2016 at 11:30:11 AM

tony if you move your metal leg a little to your right you can get cap's balls and end this, like, right now

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#51342: Feb 11th 2016 at 11:39:31 AM

Pff, his balls are made of 100% American "Fuck Yeah" Steel (that's Made in China).

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#51343: Feb 11th 2016 at 12:48:07 PM

Nope. As Bocaj pointed out, it has proven effectiveness. Crunching Cap's liberty spheres is how Deadpool saved the world.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51344: Feb 11th 2016 at 12:57:41 PM

We've talked about this before in one of the threads, right Bocaj and Tobias? When I tried googling it auto-completed "Captain America k-" into "kicked in the nuts"(the other results were "kicking in the nuts", "killed by Crossbones" and "killed by Sharon Carter").

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#51345: Feb 11th 2016 at 12:59:58 PM

It's come up a few times. Point is, Deadpool has proven that Iron Man could save the world right there by smashing Cap's Infinity Stones.

edited 11th Feb '16 1:00:15 PM by TobiasDrake

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#51346: Feb 11th 2016 at 1:09:23 PM

I don't hesitate to ask but which two of the infinity stones?

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#51348: Feb 11th 2016 at 1:44:31 PM

[up] Damn, I was going to say that.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51349: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:15:06 PM

I still hope the Soul Stone is as evil and hungry as the Gem in the comics.

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#51350: Feb 11th 2016 at 6:35:31 PM

I really enjoyed reading the first run in Captain Marvel vol 1. I'd love to see a little bit of that story told. You know, where Mar-vell is an alien spy impersonating a scientist and Carol is the head of security trying to find flaws in his disguise. The one where they find a grudging respect for one another.

The one where Yon-rogg is basically holding Mar-vell hostage by keeping his girlfriend on their mission. It's basically mission control is trying to kill. She's the crew medic.

I understand that Carol is going to be the MCU Captain Marvel, but I don't want to see Mar-vell completely shafted.

My optimum story focuses completely on Carol while Mar-vell's story goes on the background in a mysterious manner until the second act where the the explosion happens and she becomes half Kree and takes down Yon-rogg in the third act.

Mar-vell escapes to some unknown location with his love. Possibly the moon Titan around Saturn. This is where we leave him to sire Phyla and Genis and/or die of cancer in later movies.

The first act of the movie involves Carol investigating a Scientist who showed up at the same time as this super alien.


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