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Is that still a thing? DeConnick isn't even writing Captain Marvel anymore.
edited 10th Feb '16 11:13:42 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Wally West is not, in fact, white in the New 52 universe.
And if you mean the Carol Corps then, yes, that's also still a thing.
edited 11th Feb '16 12:08:33 AM by alliterator
No, I meant the Carol Corps. There's a degree to which I don't really think they're why the film's getting made, but then that's possibly because I've never really bought them as a grassroots fandom movement. Marvel decided up front that Carol Danvers was their Important Female Character and hired a writer for her with a suitably large base. The first female-led MCU movie was always gonna be her.
I am, perhaps, slightly bitter that Marvel did not stop and think "hey, we've already got a female Captain Marvel, and she's one of the few WOC we've managed to keep in-house film-wise..."
I am, actually, considering picking up the new Captain Marvel book, as I enjoy Agent Carter and the premise seems to be "Marvel does DS9", which has my attention. (What was the pitch for the KSC run? "We have a book with a female lead, finally, please read it so we can claim we're not sexist?")
edited 11th Feb '16 12:24:33 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Honestly, I think Marvel was surprised when Captain Marvel got such a big following, even though the book itself didn't get that much readers. As soon as they realized it, though, they did capitalize on it, but that just makes sense.
And yes, you should read the new Captain Marvel. It's great.
Her Wikipedia page is laid out confusingly, but actually, Pretty Deadly predates her Cap run by about half a year. And I do remember there being a huge promotional push for the book at the time.
I dunno if I can pick up another book right now. I'm already reading Ms. Marvel, Squirrel-Girl, Moon Girl, Invader Zim and Jughead. But I do really want to pick up Captain Marvel, so I'll see if I can find room.
edited 11th Feb '16 12:39:25 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.edited 11th Feb '16 12:41:45 AM by alliterator
...why the hell is there a volume seven and a volume eight, less than a year apart, with the same creative team
that's just needlessly confusing
(I'm not wrong about the promotional push for v.7, I don't think, though. I was writing a paper on sexism in comics at the time, and while I don't think I did a very good job, I do at least think my research was decent.)
edited 11th Feb '16 12:43:39 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Because Marvel loves relaunching books at #1. And there had been a recent relaunch called "All-New Marvel NOW," so they decided to end the previous run and relaunch it again with a new #1 to try and get new readers. (Daredevil was also relaunched in order to get more readers with the exact same creative team of Mark Waid and Chris Samnee.)
All in all, KSD wrote 36 issues of Captain Marvel - 17 issues of Captain Marvel Vol 7, 15 issues of Captain Marvel Vol 8, and 4 issues of Captain Marvel and the Carol Corps (although those were co-written with Kelly Thompson). She wrote the character for a total of four years, which is a pretty good run these days.
edited 11th Feb '16 12:48:18 AM by alliterator
About Mar-vell, while I'm sure he has plenty of fans, and probably rightly so...I couldn't really give less of a shit about him. I want to see Carol, and preferably Monica too (and eventually Kamala).
Shame that Carol will almost certainly be the first person to call herself Captain Marvel, because I'd love to see a variation of this
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If I were writing this, I'd try to find a way to give Monica superpowers as well, perhaps at the climax of the film? Because Monica's awesome.
...If she shows up, I hope she does the "trenchcoat and dreadlocks" look. That looks amazing.
Oh God! Natural light!I am very much of the opinion that Kamala needs, like, a TV show or something, in the same way cinematic Spider-Man never quite makes any sense.
edited 11th Feb '16 12:57:04 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Can a TV show pull off her powers without it looking too weird? Then again, weird might actually work for her...
And yeah, that is rather frustrating. Hopefully they cut back on that a bit. I like it when titles get into the bigger numbers.
edited 11th Feb '16 12:56:04 AM by KarkatTheDalek
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I mean, I think the numbering system as the be-all end-all of Where We Are In A Book has had its day, frankly. Big numbers are daunting, and multiple series with the same name are confusing. The industry's got to find a middle ground.
At the very least start putting the volume number on the cover as well.
Yeah, but on a weirdly micro level.
edited 11th Feb '16 1:00:01 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Wouldn't mind Monica Rambeau being Carol's earthly liaison. Carol can be the spacey Captain Marvel who deals with all the aliens due to her Mar-Vell connections, and Monica can be the Earth Marvel who's part of the Avengers and fights HYDRA and that kinda stuff.
edited 11th Feb '16 1:00:23 AM by AlleyOop
It is interesting, isn't it, that the two function in such different ways.
A recent trend I really like is Marvel deciding that codename-sharing is a thing. We got two Hawkeyes, we've got two Spider-Mans, we've got two Thors, we've got two Hulks...two Captain Marvels could be good.
(Apropos of nothing, wasn't there a She-Hulk issue where some random thug decided all Asgardians are called "Thors"? I bet that guy feels vindicated right now.)
edited 11th Feb '16 1:03:01 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.I personally see an ending to Infinity War where Tony holds a press conference and announces that he's retiring from the Avengers, and that a new group of heroes is getting ready to take his place (this is assuming he doesn't die, of course). Then T'Challa takes the stage and announces that after the whole Thanos thing, the time has come for humanity to start expanding into the stars, and that Wakanda is working with the U.N. on joint space exploration and defense programs (we'll call them Alpha Flight and S.W.O.R.D., respectively), with Carol Danvers at the helm. I feel like that'd be a good way to transition into what I hope would be a Phase 4 that really took advantage of Marvel's more diverse properties.
edited 11th Feb '16 1:07:49 AM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!Let's be real here, the only reason Captain Mar-Vel ever existed was because Marvel wanted to pull the name "Captain Marvel" back from DC. And because nobody ever cared about him, Ms Marvel becoming Captain Marvel is one of the few cases in Comic book history in which a legacy character actually stuck and did replace the original. There is really no reason to make it complicated for the movie and give Mar-Vel more room than necessary from a story-telling point of view. Add to it the unfortunate implications of Marvel's first stand-alone heroine being the side-kick for a male character for most of the movie, it is better if they restructure the story a little bit to ensure that the spotlight is where it should be.
Mar-Vell lasted 11 years by the way(and Monica stayed Cap for a long while before Genis briefly had the name and then it took years before Carol took up the name).
He literally only need to be in as many scenes as Thor's mom was in Thor 2 and can die half an hour in(and the movie is most likely 2h 30 min)after bringing whatever is the threat of the week to Earth and making Carol half Kree. Hell, he can die when pulled from his crashed ship in the explosion that gives Carol her powers in the first scene on Earth after the intro. Is it really that bad to want Carol to have her comic origin but updated a bunch like skipping the years she spent as Mar's best friend before the explosion and having her become Captain right away instead of being Ms for 30 years after her powers manifest? Carol will be in at least 5 movies in the years after her first so what damage does 10 minutes with her not as the only hero on the screen do? It's not like Disney would only make trailers featuring Mar as the big hero(-remembers SW VII and Rey playing second fiddle to Finn in the marketing-).
Also on the "Carol shouldn't be given powers by someone" that's who she is. She isn't Thor and has had her powers since birth, she's Spider-Man and got her powers by accident/destiny and chose to do good. The kree side of her gives her a connection to space that no other hero has. If you want to remove Mar put keep the explosion we might as well do Monica instead because that's pretty much her origin but I'm pretty sure we don't want CINO(Carol In Name Only)in a movie about a character who has been a superhero for 40 years and has ton of material to pull on.
Hell, Star-Lord's comic origin got changed(by Bendis!) before the movie came out to better fit with the MCU. Carol also had a similar scene where she goes back in time and sees her own origin again and it stays the same as it did 40 years before despite there being a big opportunity to change it. She even flashbacks to it later.
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edited 11th Feb '16 4:29:58 AM by LordofLore
Oh, there is a LOT of material concerning Carol which better stays forgotten. For example I think we explored the topic of mind control extensively in Jessica Jones, I would prefer not to see a repeat of this.
And I honestly don't see a problem with tweaking her origin story a little bit. After all, Cassie doesn't have Cancer, Peter Quill never did the a-hole move to steal a position from someone else (honestly, the whole "got kidnapped as a child story" makes his character more interesting), Youndu is no longer a potentially questionable "noble native" trope, Bucky was never a child tagging along into war (and the very idea that he was Steve's childhood protector makes their friendship so much more compelling), Jessica was never an official Avenger, and Quake started working for shield before she got her abilities.

Oh yeah, because all the marketing about that character has been about the Moni Corps.
My various fanfics.