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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Why does he need to hold the title at all? Let's assume we put the character in the movie. There are a lot of ways to go with it. IE CAPTAIN Carol Danvers is on some kind of mission when she encounters an alien named Mar-Vell (who could actually be a female too - or an alien without any gender). Originally distrustful because of the so far mostly negative experiences with aliens, she discovers that they have a common interest and team up on a mission. During said mission Mar-Vell there is a situation in which Carol Danvers try to protect his/her/its life, for example by covering the body during an explosion. It turns out that said explosion does not harm humans (naturally Carol didn't know that beforehand) and that covering the body didn't make any difference to its lethalness for this particular alien race, but due to the proximity, she gets Mar-Vell's abilities. Mar-Vell dies and she gives an interview because she wants to tell the world that not all aliens are dangerous. The press naturally runs with it/misunderstands something she said and call her Captain Marvel.
There are naturally other ways to do it, but every step they take to make the story about Carol first and foremost while avoiding some really unfortunate implications in her lore would be welcome on my part.
Errrr, he wouldn't. Instead of "Kree soldier Captain Mar-Vell becomes a hero after meeting Carol and other humans and kicking robot ass" it would be something like "Kree war hero soldier Mar-Vell crashes on Earth and gets saved from exploding ship by Captain Carol Danvers who gets powers from becoming part Kree due to the explosion while close to the wounded Mar. Mar dies when he goes with Carol to face the villain at the start of the second act and Carol keeps kicking ass for the next 115 minutes and goes after Thanos who was behind everything at the end to avenge her friend and help save Earth".
Also, removing Mar-Vell is easy(if you have to) but removing Carol being half Kree is much harder(of course they might just make her Inhuman and make it so she had the power all along inside her...).
Thus far the origins for the heroes aren't extremely different from the comics in most cases. Star-Lord even goes to prison like he did during his reinvention before Annihilation.
edited 10th Feb '16 7:39:38 PM by LordofLore
Bruce Wayne had 3 cartoons to be Batman before Terry was created.
Hank Pym was retired and psychically incapable of being Ant-Man anymore. Plus Ultron was used in the movie before him, so Hank didn't have any major contributions to make.
I do admit to not being on the side of Adapting Out Mar-Vell, but these examples aren't the best to use.
edited 10th Feb '16 7:40:19 PM by VeryMelon
Hank Pym was retired and psychically incapable of being Ant-Man anymore.
The first one is a justifiable out-of-universe reason, but the second one is only that way because the people who adapted his character wrote him that way.
If the justification is that it's Carol's first movie, then the comparison to Ant-Man works. You could even go back to the first Superman movie and say it about Jor-El.
edited 10th Feb '16 7:55:45 PM by KnownUnknown
2) Mar-Vell is currently dead in the comics. Do you know how long he's been dead? Since 1982. His death, in fact, is his most memorable storyline. It's pretty much the only thing people remember about him.
edited 10th Feb '16 9:30:16 PM by alliterator
If the movie is about Mar-vell, it would be like Yinsin having as much screen time as Tony in Iron-man or Dr. Eskin holding Steve's hand the whole time during Captain America. Mar-vell has to be treated like a side-character, mostly there to kick off Captain Marvel's abilities. Anything else would be an insult to the first female lead Superhero movie.
Easy answer: Have Carol running a test on an experimental plane that accidentally teleports her to a trippy dimensions where Captain Mar-Vell is stuck or something. She's going to get dragged out by the plane failsafes, and he can tell she'll be a hero no matter what, so he hands her his powers to do superheroics with.
I'm still unsure what is the issue with the Hank Pym-Scott Lang scenario. That one featured both and absolutely everyone thought Scott was the lead character.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."the issue was that hope wasn't the lead character
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Ant-man was so focussed on telling the story about the old and the new Ant-man, that the Wasp was marginalized. But what most people like about Ant-man is actually not him, but the Wasp. I think we lucked out that the director changed, though. I have the feeling that if Wright had been allowed to make his version, Janet would have been death for good and Hope's role would have been even smaller. This way we will hopefully get a proper Wasp the next time around.
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That's not what I'm referring to though.
People previously observed Mar-Vell could be in Captain Marvel the same way Hank Pym is in Ant-Man. Scott Lang is the undisputed protagonist of Ant-Man, but Hank Pym got to stick around and be a major and cool character. I don't get what's the issue with having the same for Captain Marvel.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."If Mar-vell has too much screen presence, they might bring him back in the comics.
And an alive Mar-vell only ever leads to catastrophe.
Forever liveblogging the Avengersedited 10th Feb '16 10:53:54 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.I think it's important for Mar-Vell to show up because I feel that being a Legacy Character is something inextricable from Captain Marvel.
Make mine Marvel.Solution: have Carol receive the powers from Monica Rambea—
Hrm.
Solution: Have Monica Rambeau be Captain Marvel instead.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

The bottom line is that alive or dead, existing or not, Mar-vell cannot under any circumstances hold the Captain Marvel title for more then a quarter (and even that might be pushing it) of the runtime of the Captain Marvel movie.
People have been waiting far too long for a female-led MCU movie as is, I'd rather not see Marvel fumble the only one on their slate by making it even the tiniest bit ambiguous if Carol Danvers is really the title character of the movie.