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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#51251: Feb 10th 2016 at 11:19:36 AM

I think we agreed that Doctor Strange probably has the Time Stone. Which leaves the Soul Stone (honestly, "Gem" sounds better here)...

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#51252: Feb 10th 2016 at 11:21:29 AM

Puella Magi Madoka Magica already introduced the Soul Gem, it's just waiting for canonization in the MCU.

edited 10th Feb '16 11:21:44 AM by TobiasDrake

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#51253: Feb 10th 2016 at 11:38:14 AM

"Make contract, Kamala. Become a magical girl"
"Not right now, I'm trying to punch robots"

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#51255: Feb 10th 2016 at 11:48:50 AM

Yes.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51256: Feb 10th 2016 at 12:45:22 PM

The Civil War prelude comic came out today. It sheds light on some plot threads.

The story opens up at the Avengers HQ. Cap says the New Avenger have come along nicely in the year since Age of Ultron, but he's frustrated that his commitments to the team have prevented him from searching for Bucky. He also mentions that Sokovia is still a wreck a year after Ultron's attack, and that he's worried that if the team ever faces Bucky, he might not be able to remain objective about what needs to be done. Falcon flies in and tells him that the team just received intel concerning a dangerous ex-HYDRA operative who is headed to Lagos, Nigeria for some reason. They both believe it's Bucky.

The story shifts focus to Bucky at the end of The Winter Soldier. We see that he didn't regain his past memories like some thought, but saved Steve because Steve was the only one who treated him like a human being and thought he could be something more than a weapon. He goes back to the brainwashing facility we saw in the movie, and is about to kill one of the men working there when he suffers a traumatic flashback to when he once killed a man who tried to plead with him by mentioning that he had a wife and daughter at home. Bucky goes on the lam, and while riding a train out of town, begins to suffer PTSD flashbacks to all the victims he's murdered over the years.

The third plot thread follows Crossbones from the end of the last movie. He says that he's a soldier dedicated to HYDRA, and is willing to die if it means furthering the organization's goal of making a better world for mankind. The Helicarrier crashes through the roof and nearly kills him, but he says that he's alright with dying just so long as his death helped HYDRA achieve its goals. He wakes up in a hospital bed much later and sees a news report mentioning that Alexander Pierce is dead, and that HYDRA's scheme was foiled. He completely freaks out and escapes the hospital while talking about how everything he worked for was for nothing, and that now his life no longer has any meaning or direction without HYDRA and Pierce.

He gets a group of former HYDRA operatives together for a raid on a group of black market arms dealers. They kill the men and steal their weapons and gear, and Rumlow murders one of his own men for trying to use the "Hail HYDRA!" shout. He says that HYDRA is gone now and that all is left is revenge. He says that the Avengers took everything from him, so all he cares about now is destroying them and making sure they suffer while it happens.

The final scene shows the Avengers flying to Nigeria in the Quinjet, when they get some additional information. The ex-HYDRA operative isn't Bucky, but Rumlow (now in his Crossbones armor). Cap says he's relieved because he didn't want to face Bucky again, but that this just means things are about to get a whole lot messier.

It ends there, which is presumably the opening of the film.

edited 10th Feb '16 12:46:05 PM by comicwriter

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51257: Feb 10th 2016 at 1:04:29 PM

Would make sense to start the movie like Ao U with a action sequence only this time with ex-HYDRA instead of HYDRA.

@Where's the Soul Gem/Stone: I still don't trust Gunn to not lie to preserve a twist or a character but Thanos might already have it. In the comics his journey to claim each Gem started with taking the Soul Gem.

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#51258: Feb 10th 2016 at 1:06:19 PM

I honestly would not be surprised for Thanos to already have a Gem in his possession when Infinity War starts. It's kind of a staple of collectible plots that the Big Bad has one and is searching for the others.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51259: Feb 10th 2016 at 1:11:01 PM

Would also mean that he could do a "Your souls are mine!" ending to IW 1 where some of the heroes start IW 2 "inside" the Stone and get plot dumped by someone that's already in it if Marvel wanted to.

edited 10th Feb '16 1:11:41 PM by LordofLore

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#51260: Feb 10th 2016 at 1:12:19 PM

I suddenly want the Soul Gem to be taken from Thanos via a remote-controlled hollow Iron Man suit.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#51261: Feb 10th 2016 at 1:15:23 PM

Not like it would be the first time Thanos would get beaten by someone inside the Gem(Warlock famously died to Thanos but his soul was in his Gem and Spider-Man wakes him up/calls him forth to one shot Thanos).

edited 10th Feb '16 2:08:56 PM by LordofLore

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#51262: Feb 10th 2016 at 1:15:27 PM

Thanos having a gem would also mean him giving one away to Loki is less of a boner.

Also, even with the Mind Stone I'm pretty sure Thanos could relocate Loki's nose to somewhere inside his brain.

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#51263: Feb 10th 2016 at 1:16:26 PM

I'm betting at least one gem might be in Thor: Ragnarok, to be honest.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51264: Feb 10th 2016 at 1:17:55 PM

Didn't he think anyone from Got G (I mean, Thanos aside, obviously) wouldn't be showing up in Infinity War or did I imagine that?

People keep saying he said that, but I don't remember actually seeing it anywhere. I always thought people were misinterpreting what he said about Thanos not being in Go TG 2 the first time, as well as that time he responded to people thinking that the Avengers would be in Go TG 2.

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#51265: Feb 10th 2016 at 1:19:06 PM

  • Inevitable Betrayal!
  • LOKI: I see no reason to submit to you any longer! With this scepter, I can control your Mind!
  • THANOS: I can control your Soul. You want to guess which is faster?
  • LOKI: I'm willing to take my chances.
  • THANOS: Also there's an AI in the scepter I never told you about so if you really want to try and use my own tools against me, we can go ahead and see how that ends for you.
  • LOKI: You're not even going to dignify me by feigning a battle?
  • THANOS: Nah. It would mean I have to get out of my chair and it's not time for Infinity War yet.

edited 10th Feb '16 1:20:44 PM by TobiasDrake

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#51266: Feb 10th 2016 at 1:23:59 PM

  • LOKI: Wait, doesn't Hela have the right to all non-warrior asgardian souls? We'll have to take this to court.
  • THANOS: Urgh. Proxima, can you go and call my lawyer? Mr. A. Magus on Sacrosanct.

edited 10th Feb '16 1:31:33 PM by LordofLore

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#51267: Feb 10th 2016 at 1:31:01 PM

Either that or use the Time Stone to go back to when Loki was little and give him a noogie.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#51268: Feb 10th 2016 at 2:17:50 PM

@comicwriter

I'm guessing the rumors that Crossbones will die in a suicide attack at the beginning of the movie are probably true then? Shame, I thought he was a great villain for what he was and it would've been interesting to see him as Zemo's Dragon.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#51269: Feb 10th 2016 at 3:07:44 PM

[up]Sadly yes, it seems like they're foreshadowing that.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#51270: Feb 10th 2016 at 3:10:05 PM

I imagine that Thanos will have a gauntlet, while Loki will have the other.

  • Loki's Dragon: Loki, you have a gauntlet, but only have one gem, while Thanos has six.
  • Loki: Don't worry my friend, with the Norn Stones, I can replace the rol of the gems.
  • Loki's Dragon: I did not know that the Norn Stones can be used that way.
  • Loki: Of course, the Stones can be used in this way.
  • Loki's Dragon: Well, no matter, I'll kill Karnilla and get the Stones.
  • Loki: Good Luck, Enchantress / Ulik/ Sigyn/ Lorelei/ Absorbing Man/ Brun/ Fenris/ Sigurd/ Sylene.

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#51271: Feb 10th 2016 at 3:32:01 PM

I've thought a bit about how they'd fit Mar-Vell and Carol's origins into one movie. Then I realized they should introduce them both in Infinity War Part One. Let's say Mar-Vell (basically a Kree super-soldier), already having fought Thanos, arrives on Earth to warn the Avengers about the great threat. Carol Danvers is one of the people in charge at a military installation set up since the Battle of New York to be lookouts for potential extraterrestrial invasions (SWORD). Mar-Vell lands and the first people there are Carol Danvers and her people. They call the Avengers and Mar-Vell says exposition about Thanos. Mar-Vell fights with the Avengers, and towards the end of the movie Mar-Vell gets exposed to the thing that eventually kills him.

At the beginning of the Captain Marvel movie, Mar-Vell would be an established hero working with Carol and SWORD. Some teenager in the desert of the Southwest United States accidentally activates an ancient Kree Sentry. SWORD and Mar-Vell go to stop it. The Sentry is guarding an old Kree device that we find out later was used in early Inhuman experiments before the development of Terrigen and a prototype of what gave Mar-Vell his powers. During the fight there's an explosion. Carol saves the kid who uncovered the Sentry. She enters a coma, and that's the end of the prologue.

The story resumes a few months later, Carol wakes up, has superpowers, and meets the kid she saved, Rick Jones, who has become Mar-Vell's sidekick. Then we get Mar-Vell teaching Carol how to shot web. Carol becomes Mar-Vell's superhero partner. At some point, Mar-Vell collapses. We find out he has had cancer for the last year or so. Insert emotional scene with the between main characters. I don't know who should be the villain, but there's a big fight between them and our heroes. Mar-Vell has one foot in the grave by the end of the battle. He dies in a very emotional scene. Carol becomes the new Captain Marvel just in time for Infinity War Part Two.

edited 10th Feb '16 3:32:33 PM by FoxBoxKid

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#51273: Feb 10th 2016 at 4:54:51 PM

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I think Carol Danvers needs to be the sole, unquestioned holder of the "Captain Marvel" title for a majority of her solo film. That means killing off (or at least indefinitely incapacitating) Mar-vell no later then the opening act of the Captain Marvel movie.

Carol Danvers is a very easy character to introduce because she's a kickass fighter pilot in her backstory, so as long as the military has a reason to get involved in the events of Infinity War: Part 1, she can easily get involved herself without any special explanation.

I would actually put her origin at the climax of Infinity War: Part 1 rather then her own solo film. The basic idea is that Thanos has a weapon (effectively the MCU equivalent of the psyche-magnatron, even if it's not called that and has a somewhat different function) that he could use to destroy/conquer Earth overnight. Carol Danvers attempts a heroic sacrifice to destroy it, buying Earth time to prepare for Thanos's "conventional" assault that will arrive in Part 2.

However the destruction of this weapon fails to kill Carol Danvers and instead she is infused and transformed by it's power. A possibility that was either explicitly considered or at least consistent with the weapon's effects, but regarded as improbable enough that Carol Danvers legitimately believed she wasn't likely to survive.

Her own solo film could go a couple of different routes, but they would all involve her mastering her new powers. If Mar-vell is even still alive at the opening (if he shows up in Infinity War: Part 1, there's plenty of time in the finale for him to die), he is either killed or incapacitated early on, because it isn't his movie.

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#51274: Feb 10th 2016 at 5:08:08 PM

If Mar-Vell isn't in the movies Carol is either going to get her name by someone saying something like "Wow, she's a marvel!", never actually be called Captain Marvel in the movie more than once like Wanda with Scarlet Witch, turns out to have Marvel as her callsign(if she isn't head of security like her origin) or just calling herself Captain Marvel because that's what she would call herself if she was a superhero.

If Mar-Vell is in the movies and somehow lives past Carol getting powers I expect Carol to go without a nickname until he dies in the second act and the movie goes from 85% Carol and 15% Mar-Vell into 100% Carol. She kills the villain after which she names herself Captain Marvel after her dead friend and takes his helmet and battle armor. It's not like Mar would be the Captain Marvel of the title, he would just be a Kree Captain named Mar-Vell.

Either way I expect us to hear Carol, Danvers, Carol Danvers, Captain and Captain Danvers way more than we'll hear Captain Marvel.

I wonder how pissed people would be if Marvel cut two of the few major lesbian and gay characters they have by never having the Vell family in the MCU. I really hope the "We'll have a LGBT hero in the MCU in maybe a decade" quote was wrong by a couple of years.

Like, Mar showing Carol a picture of his daughter he's so proud to have while talking about how he's planning on retiring once he gets back home is just the kind of "I'm going to be dead in 30 minutes!" foreshadowing I could see in a Marvel movie.

Edit: Shit, without the Vells and the ones connected to them the Kree are pretty much all bad and the MCU didn't even have anti-villain Ronan. Hala is going to blow up the first time the gotg land there.

edited 10th Feb '16 7:04:01 PM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51275: Feb 10th 2016 at 6:03:25 PM

Honestly, in the case of Captain Marvel, I certainly wouldn't mind if they change the origin story. They did it before with Star-Lord and to a lesser degree with Ant-man.


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