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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#51201: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:01:17 PM

That's why I like Shocker. He's just a skilled engineer and a guy doing a job. The job could be merc work or robbing backs but he's just a normal dude trying to get by, and just happens to make technology that not only lets him do that, but also can give Spider-man a run for his money.

Yeah you can survive getting super-vibrated but between the headaches, possible heart problems, and the fact it'll just plain make you exhausted trying to resist even a little, it's an excellent first go baddie for a movie where you want to focus on the hero and their life.

@Adric, Wait, the dude I'm Men In Black 3 wasn't actually Tim Curry?!

edited 9th Feb '16 5:03:17 PM by MousaThe14

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#51202: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:05:42 PM

The man that played Boris the Animal in Men in Black 3 was Jermaine Clement of Flight of the Conchords.

I've never even watched that show and I was surprised too. Hell, he also channels Tim Curry in Rio of all movies (he's the evil cockatoo). He can do a damn good David Bowie too, and not just from the Flight of the Conchords song. He did a Bowie type role in Rick and Morty as that gaseous cloud thing that Rick called "Fart".

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#51203: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:08:32 PM

I would not be opposed to Doctor Octopus again. Or the Lizard, as long as he's saved for a later movie and draws inspiration from my favorite version of him: his Silver Age design (barely larger than a Human wearing a labcoat and jeans).

edited 9th Feb '16 5:10:36 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#51204: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:10:55 PM

I wouldn't be apposed to either Green Goblin or Doctor Octopus showing up (iffy on the Lizard, to be honest), but I really wanna see another villain for once. Like has been mentioned earlier, Shocker and Vulture would make great villains if used right (hell, Vulture would've been the villain in Sam Raimi's aborted Spider-Man 4). I'd also throw in the Chameleon and Kraven the Hunter (ESPECIALLY HIM).

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51205: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:11:38 PM

Lizard needs a snout (which his AMS self lacked) and a godamn labcoat.

Seriously, wearing a labcoat is basically his Iconic Outfit. Major mistake of AMS to remove it.

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#51206: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:13:52 PM

Let's not forget Scorpion. Kingpin is also a viable Spider-Man villain.

[up]Yeah!

edited 9th Feb '16 5:14:59 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#51207: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:15:18 PM

Kingpin is busy with Daredevil, though, and I doubt Marvel would want to cross their family-friendly movies with Daredevil just yet.

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dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#51208: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:15:27 PM

I want to Wilson Fisk as the no-action big bad of the first films, which hires super-villains such as Shocker, Kraven, among others.

They could even introduce the Hobgoblin (in the second or third movie), as an ally of Wilson Fisk, but that his true intentions, is kill him, for avenge the death of his uncle Ben Urich.

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#51209: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:16:49 PM

Hobgoblin would have to be introduced after Green Goblin, though.

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#51211: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:18:35 PM

His character is that he's a copy of the Green Goblin, but better because he's genre savvy enough to avoid Osborne's mistakes.

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#51212: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:19:14 PM

I've said this before, but Kingpin being the Big Bad of the Spider-Man reboot would be the only way I'd see it.

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#51213: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:19:31 PM

Silvermane is also a possibility for Nonaction Big Bad if Kingpin is unavailable.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:20:06 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51214: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:20:43 PM

Not necessairily. The 90's show introduced the Hobgoblin first and then the Green Goblin and it was pretty cool.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#51215: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:20:55 PM

Yes, but Kingpin is who I'd want to see because it would be a bigger deal.

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#51216: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:21:09 PM

Silvermane would be pretty good too. I still really wanna see Mysterio, though. The stinger in the first Amazing Spider-Man made me think Mysterio would show up, but he never did (and the second one sucked, so it didn't matter in the end).

[up][up]

Fair point.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:21:30 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#51217: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:28:24 PM

I'd want Kraven as the main physical threat with his bro Chameleon as a supporting villain.

Or were they cousins?

I wouldn't be adverse to seeing Doc Ock again, but he'd have to try pretty hard to outdo the Raimi version, and I wouldn't want to see Lizard, Electro, Rhino, or any Goblin so soon after ASM.

As a Badass Normal, Kraven would also mean they wouldn't have to try to cram two superpower origin stories into one film as is often a flaw in first films.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:31:37 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51218: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:28:32 PM

I'd also propose Mr. Negative. What with The Corrupter shtick and Balance Between Good and Evil motif he would be very interesting.

You know, the myth arc of the Spider-Man trilogy could actually be a Mob War. Have Silvermane, Mr. Negative, maybe Fisk (or a more serious version of Hammerhead) introduced across two films leading up to a full-blown superpowered Mob War in the third between Silvermane, Mr. Negative, Kingpin and maybe Hammerhead.

Which would also be a excellent way to tie in with The Defenders.

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lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#51219: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:31:51 PM

What about Tombstone as a mafia big bad?

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#51220: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:46:22 PM

A good villain for a Spider-Man movie/Daredevil Season 2/3 would be the Schemer/the Rose: Fisk's son who forms his own gang (with blackjack and hookers) to overthrow his father as revenge for thinking he was dead when he was caught in an avalanche after running away in response to learning that his father is a crime lord.

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#51221: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:47:30 PM

The Rose would be a good name for a villain, I think. You could make a good motif out of it.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51222: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:48:21 PM

[up][up][up]Maybe not a Big Bad, but I'd definitely be in favor of his presence.

[up][up] Throw him into the MCU Mob War as well. Imagine how cool it would be to have all those criminal supervillains going at each other.

It could be the urban equivalent of the Infinity War storyline.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:49:52 PM by Gaon

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#51223: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:51:03 PM

Yeah, it was this whole big thing. Wilson went catatonic when he learned that this new, young, powerful, and downright scary gangster on the scene was his dead son.

edited 9th Feb '16 5:52:37 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#51224: Feb 9th 2016 at 5:52:15 PM

Purple Man and Kingpin made Rolling Stone's top 40 TV villains of all time. Also, do Sony and/or Marvel even have the rights to use the Trapster? Wouldn't he be at Fox?

edited 9th Feb '16 6:01:33 PM by FoxBoxKid

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lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#51225: Feb 9th 2016 at 6:22:19 PM

The frightful four would be hard to assemble in any movie all things considered.


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