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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I liked the Sam Raimi films a lot when I was younger, and I do think there are some good things to them still, but they haven't aged the best.
Some people say that TAS was the best of the two film adaptations, which even if true, doesn't make it good in my eyes. The ending of the first movie pretty much nailed TAS Peter as completely unlikable (he had a chance of coming out of the end as a better person, but didn't). Not to mention how much of the movie just felt kind of bland going over the origin again. Emma Stone's Gwen Stacey and Martin Sheen as Uncle Ben are the only things I enjoyed about that movie.
I disliked TAS 1 enough that I never saw TAS 2, which I heard was underwhelming anyways.
Also, I agree with alliterator in that I would prefer to see villains we haven't seen on the big screen before. I would not mind getting Agent Venom eventually but that would take a long time to set up.
edited 9th Feb '16 3:44:12 PM by wehrmacht
@Bocaj: Not really. Spider-Man has a rogues gallery only rivaled by Batman's in terms of sheer size and colorful antagonists.
Folks like Mysterio, Kraven, Morbius, Chamaleon and, more recently, Mr. Negative, are all absolutely fantastic villains who've never seen the big screen.
Kraven the Hunter in particular is my favorite. He even has a very cinematographic story in the form of Kraven's Last Hunt (though, as you can guess by the title, it'd require him having a recurring appearance throughout the franchise)
edited 9th Feb '16 3:45:37 PM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I don't know, personally I liked TAS 1, though I do agree it has some flaws. I feel the same way about the Sam Raimi trilogy though: they haven't aged very well and are kinda corny now. Though I still think they have their charm and were memorable. Personally I just hope Tom Holland's Spider-Man finally satisfies everyone so we can FINALLY get a long-term version of the character and stop with the constant quick rebooting. Spider-Man is one of my favourite superheroes, so I do want him in the MCU, but for Christ's sake, let's have a version of the character and stick to it.
Agreed, a lot of Spidey's villains are great, including those you list. The problem is, not all of them would translate well into movies. Kraven would definitely work, though they'd need to change his suit.
edited 9th Feb '16 3:46:45 PM by Theokal3
edited 9th Feb '16 3:48:21 PM by alliterator
My exposure to Mysterio mostly has him as Laughably Evil, but I think he's a character with a lot of potential. I've heard some people basically considering him the Scarecrow of SM's rogue gallery, but I don't know if he's ever been like that in any of his stories.
He'd honestly be great in a more psychological SM storyline.
edited 9th Feb '16 3:49:15 PM by wehrmacht
One of Mysterio's finest moments, oddly, was against Daredevil rather than Spider-Man, in a Kevin Smith-penned arc called Guardian Devil. In it, Murdock's girlfriend leaves him after discovering she has HIV, and he stumbles on a child that may-or-may-not be the Antichrist/Jesus's second coming. He subsequently encounters evidence that the child may be responsible for his girlfriend's sickness, the downfall of Foggy Nelson's career, and basically everything that went wrong with his life, besides probably being the Antichrist. He considers killing the child and even suicide with the sheer level of shit going wrong for him.
In the third act of the story we discover that Mysterio engineered the whole thing. Karen's HIV, the child's immaculate conception, the supernatural occurings, the downfall of Foggy Nelson's career, everything, in an attempt to drive Murdock insane. It ends up failing but holy shit you guys, he gets close. Matt actually considers throwing the child off a rooftop for several moments.
Something like that displays how fearsome Mysterio can be when he gets serious.
Also, about Kraven's clothing, Shattered Dimensions had a fairly cinematographic
version of his costume.
You know, that almost makes me want to see Mysterio reimagined as a kind of evil Deadpool villain. You know, as in has Medium Awareness and takes advantage on it to make crazy shit like what you just described, knowing full well the MCU's nature will make everyone believe it.
I thought Tobey Maguire's Peter Parker never gained the confidence of the comic character.
Andrew Garfield's version of the character didn't feel right for a variety of reasons. His Spidey was better though.
Tobey's version just didn't grow up and I was too annoyed with Garfield's version to watch the second movie. He just felt too much like a goofy version of 'the Doctor'.
My view of the original Spider-man trilogy is that tuyere charming exciting kids films That have not aged well at all. They have a place in my heart but I know they're not great, though obviously the second one gets the most props.
The Amazing Spider-man 1 and 2 I only remember fondly because me and two friends sat down and riffed on them, brutally terrorizing and tearing the movies apart line by inspised plot line. That was fun. The movies really have Andrew Garfield going for themselves. And Emma Stone. That's it.
I'm only looking forward in the new film if they bring in someone new or different. Someone less big and arc-y. I always found Shocker to be a decent choice and he'd follow the MCU's trend of passable but not entirely remarkable in terms of personality villains.
The Blog The ArtHonestly, I really want to see Mysterio show up in the next Spider-Man. He's always been one of my favorite villains. I like a villain that can fight the heroes without their fists or with their fancy laser weapons. Why fight the hero in hand to hand combat when you can fight him with a Pink Floyd laser light show straight out of Cirque du Soleil?
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?I like Shocker because he's got a cool gimmick in the form of being/have a suit that makes him; a living shock pen. I like Vulture because, taken to his logical extreme, he's a Badass Grandpa with Archangel wings and mechanical talons. Kraven's pretty awesome too.
edited 9th Feb '16 4:45:15 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
Jemaine Clement
would be a great Mysterio if we wanted him to be completely hilarious.
@Theokal: Funnily he never faced Deadpool. Though T-Rey, one of Deadpool's only major arch-enemies - Deadpool has roughly speaking three foes tough enough to be considered archenemies: Ajax (who's the Big Bad of the upcoming movie), T-Rey and Black-Swan -, played mind games to a similar effect with Pool though if you ask me, T-Rey is a pretty shitty villain.
I agree on the world-building. Kraven is another one for whom world-building would be fantastic. Introduce him in one movie (probably as The Dragon or The Brute to someone else) and have him square off against Spider-Man for one or two movies before having a movie solely about him to the effect of Kraven's Last Hunt in which Kraven goes insane and decides to go out against Spider-Man once and for all.
Shocker is a fun villain as a henchman. He's a very believable character for a superhero universe because he's just superpowered criminal. That's it. Nothing else. He's just a guy who robs people and banks who just happens to have shock gauntlets. Not everyone needs grand, operatic Take Over the World objectives.
Also, the best Mysterio actor for me? Bruce Campbell.
edited 9th Feb '16 4:54:18 PM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Not surprised...I can't count how often I watched the Civil War spot.....