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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51176: Feb 9th 2016 at 3:38:27 PM

Not surprised...I can't count how often I watched the Civil War spot.....

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51177: Feb 9th 2016 at 3:38:59 PM

Personally, I want to see villains that have never been in the movies before. Specifically, the Vulture and Kraven the Hunter.

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#51178: Feb 9th 2016 at 3:39:54 PM

Good god have we really scraped the barrel so low

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#51179: Feb 9th 2016 at 3:40:42 PM

[up]I take it you didn't like either of the two previous version?

I liked the Sam Raimi films a lot when I was younger, and I do think there are some good things to them still, but they haven't aged the best.

Some people say that TAS was the best of the two film adaptations, which even if true, doesn't make it good in my eyes. The ending of the first movie pretty much nailed TAS Peter as completely unlikable (he had a chance of coming out of the end as a better person, but didn't). Not to mention how much of the movie just felt kind of bland going over the origin again. Emma Stone's Gwen Stacey and Martin Sheen as Uncle Ben are the only things I enjoyed about that movie.

I disliked TAS 1 enough that I never saw TAS 2, which I heard was underwhelming anyways.

Also, I agree with alliterator in that I would prefer to see villains we haven't seen on the big screen before. I would not mind getting Agent Venom eventually but that would take a long time to set up.

edited 9th Feb '16 3:44:12 PM by wehrmacht

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#51180: Feb 9th 2016 at 3:41:18 PM

I have no interest in seeing Spider-Man: 3rd times the charm.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51181: Feb 9th 2016 at 3:44:54 PM

@Bocaj: Not really. Spider-Man has a rogues gallery only rivaled by Batman's in terms of sheer size and colorful antagonists.

Folks like Mysterio, Kraven, Morbius, Chamaleon and, more recently, Mr. Negative, are all absolutely fantastic villains who've never seen the big screen.

Kraven the Hunter in particular is my favorite. He even has a very cinematographic story in the form of Kraven's Last Hunt (though, as you can guess by the title, it'd require him having a recurring appearance throughout the franchise)

edited 9th Feb '16 3:45:37 PM by Gaon

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#51182: Feb 9th 2016 at 3:45:20 PM

I don't know, personally I liked TAS 1, though I do agree it has some flaws. I feel the same way about the Sam Raimi trilogy though: they haven't aged very well and are kinda corny now. Though I still think they have their charm and were memorable. Personally I just hope Tom Holland's Spider-Man finally satisfies everyone so we can FINALLY get a long-term version of the character and stop with the constant quick rebooting. Spider-Man is one of my favourite superheroes, so I do want him in the MCU, but for Christ's sake, let's have a version of the character and stick to it.

[up]Agreed, a lot of Spidey's villains are great, including those you list. The problem is, not all of them would translate well into movies. Kraven would definitely work, though they'd need to change his suit.

edited 9th Feb '16 3:46:45 PM by Theokal3

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51183: Feb 9th 2016 at 3:47:11 PM

Good god have we really scraped the barrel so low
Nah, if I wanted to scrape the bottom of the barrel, I would have said they should use the Shocker and Paste-Pot Pete.

Kraven would definitely work, though they'd need to change his suit.
The dude wears a lion's face as a jacket. That is badass. They shouldn't change that.

edited 9th Feb '16 3:48:21 PM by alliterator

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#51184: Feb 9th 2016 at 3:47:13 PM

My exposure to Mysterio mostly has him as Laughably Evil, but I think he's a character with a lot of potential. I've heard some people basically considering him the Scarecrow of SM's rogue gallery, but I don't know if he's ever been like that in any of his stories.

He'd honestly be great in a more psychological SM storyline.

edited 9th Feb '16 3:49:15 PM by wehrmacht

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#51185: Feb 9th 2016 at 3:48:42 PM

[up][up]XD I know that would be bad, but the idea of a movie with Paste-Pot Pete as the main villain is absolutely hilarious to me.

As for Kraven, yeah, that IS badass, but don't you think it would look kinda cheesy in live-action?

edited 9th Feb '16 3:52:36 PM by Theokal3

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#51186: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:01:13 PM

Hey Paste Pot Pete would be great

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51187: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:02:51 PM

One of Mysterio's finest moments, oddly, was against Daredevil rather than Spider-Man, in a Kevin Smith-penned arc called Guardian Devil. In it, Murdock's girlfriend leaves him after discovering she has HIV, and he stumbles on a child that may-or-may-not be the Antichrist/Jesus's second coming. He subsequently encounters evidence that the child may be responsible for his girlfriend's sickness, the downfall of Foggy Nelson's career, and basically everything that went wrong with his life, besides probably being the Antichrist. He considers killing the child and even suicide with the sheer level of shit going wrong for him.

In the third act of the story we discover that Mysterio engineered the whole thing. Karen's HIV, the child's immaculate conception, the supernatural occurings, the downfall of Foggy Nelson's career, everything, in an attempt to drive Murdock insane. It ends up failing but holy shit you guys, he gets close. Matt actually considers throwing the child off a rooftop for several moments.

Something like that displays how fearsome Mysterio can be when he gets serious.

Also, about Kraven's clothing, Shattered Dimensions had a fairly cinematographic version of his costume.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#51188: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:06:42 PM

[up]You know, that almost makes me want to see Mysterio reimagined as a kind of evil Deadpool villain. You know, as in has Medium Awareness and takes advantage on it to make crazy shit like what you just described, knowing full well the MCU's nature will make everyone believe it.

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#51189: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:12:52 PM

I thought Tobey Maguire's Peter Parker never gained the confidence of the comic character.

Andrew Garfield's version of the character didn't feel right for a variety of reasons. His Spidey was better though.

Tobey's version just didn't grow up and I was too annoyed with Garfield's version to watch the second movie. He just felt too much like a goofy version of 'the Doctor'.

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#51190: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:21:17 PM

My view of the original Spider-man trilogy is that tuyere charming exciting kids films That have not aged well at all. They have a place in my heart but I know they're not great, though obviously the second one gets the most props.

The Amazing Spider-man 1 and 2 I only remember fondly because me and two friends sat down and riffed on them, brutally terrorizing and tearing the movies apart line by inspised plot line. That was fun. The movies really have Andrew Garfield going for themselves. And Emma Stone. That's it.

I'm only looking forward in the new film if they bring in someone new or different. Someone less big and arc-y. I always found Shocker to be a decent choice and he'd follow the MCU's trend of passable but not entirely remarkable in terms of personality villains.

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#51192: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:38:53 PM

Honestly, I really want to see Mysterio show up in the next Spider-Man. He's always been one of my favorite villains. I like a villain that can fight the heroes without their fists or with their fancy laser weapons. Why fight the hero in hand to hand combat when you can fight him with a Pink Floyd laser light show straight out of Cirque du Soleil?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51193: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:41:41 PM

I mostly want them to do some careful world building this time around. Like introducing characters like Norman Osborn and Doctor Connors early on, so that we get to know them as people first, and then turn them into villains three or four movies down the line.

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#51194: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:44:25 PM

I like Shocker because he's got a cool gimmick in the form of being/have a suit that makes him; a living shock pen. I like Vulture because, taken to his logical extreme, he's a Badass Grandpa with Archangel wings and mechanical talons. Kraven's pretty awesome too.

edited 9th Feb '16 4:45:15 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#51195: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:45:38 PM

If Tim Curry were younger, I could see him as Mysterio.

Maybe Marvel can cast that guy from Flight of the Conchords?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51197: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:48:55 PM

Jemaine Clement would be a great Mysterio if we wanted him to be completely hilarious.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#51198: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:52:03 PM

Rhys Darby could be a pretty out-there Mysterio as well.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51199: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:53:45 PM

@Theokal: Funnily he never faced Deadpool. Though T-Rey, one of Deadpool's only major arch-enemies - Deadpool has roughly speaking three foes tough enough to be considered archenemies: Ajax (who's the Big Bad of the upcoming movie), T-Rey and Black-Swan -, played mind games to a similar effect with Pool though if you ask me, T-Rey is a pretty shitty villain.

I agree on the world-building. Kraven is another one for whom world-building would be fantastic. Introduce him in one movie (probably as The Dragon or The Brute to someone else) and have him square off against Spider-Man for one or two movies before having a movie solely about him to the effect of Kraven's Last Hunt in which Kraven goes insane and decides to go out against Spider-Man once and for all.

Shocker is a fun villain as a henchman. He's a very believable character for a superhero universe because he's just superpowered criminal. That's it. Nothing else. He's just a guy who robs people and banks who just happens to have shock gauntlets. Not everyone needs grand, operatic Take Over the World objectives.

Also, the best Mysterio actor for me? Bruce Campbell.

edited 9th Feb '16 4:54:18 PM by Gaon

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#51200: Feb 9th 2016 at 4:55:24 PM

Jermaine Clement already proved he could play a good Tim Curry type role in Men in Black 3, so I wanna see him as Mysterio. That's the guy I was referring to, I'd forgotten his name.

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