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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#51051: Feb 8th 2016 at 12:13:26 PM

As in "the worst part is that you got to watch / had to live with the fact that they all died."

edited 8th Feb '16 12:14:03 PM by KnownUnknown

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#51053: Feb 8th 2016 at 12:14:19 PM

He wasn't saying that the worst part was that Tony was alive. He was understanding Tony's perspective. The worst part of seeing all your friends dead around you is that you're still alive after they're gone. Considering that Nick Fury served in the military, it's probably a feeling he's familiar with.

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#51054: Feb 8th 2016 at 12:14:48 PM

Yeah. It's called Survivor's Guilt, and it was Tony's motivation to rush headlong into finishing Ultron.

As a heavily experienced soldier, Fury's almost certainly been through that. He was commiserating with Stark because he cares about him.

I actually sort of get a "Son he never had and isn't sure whether or not he wanted" vibe off of Fury's interactions with Tony. Fury gets really personal with him.

edited 8th Feb '16 12:16:24 PM by TobiasDrake

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#51055: Feb 8th 2016 at 12:38:56 PM

Yeah, that's the speech where Nick Fury is trying to cheer Tony up.

"You've come with some pretty impressive ideas, Stark. War isn't one of them."

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51057: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:01:18 PM

Really good article.

It is kind of ironic how similar Tony is to his father. Howard also constantly made destructive invention when he tried to create something to make the world better. And with the one good thing he helped to create - Captain America - he has to realize that all the good in it came from Steve and not from science.

I guess that is the message in the end. We can make our life easier through science, but in order to change the world, humanity itself has to change.

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#51058: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:05:16 PM

Banner was definitely a Fake Shemp but I'm pretty sure that was actually Paul Rudd doing Ant-Man's voice.

Didn't sound like him to me. Regardless, they would have only had to get him to voice a few lines rather than actually act in the suit.

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#51059: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:07:02 PM

I'm not sure I buy Ant-Man surviving a 12-story fall with a full can of Coke on top of him.

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#51060: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:09:23 PM

I'm surprised that the can of coke didn't spray everywhere after all of that. It seemed like that was the joke they were building towards.

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#51061: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:09:43 PM

Doot doo doo. Just dropping this in here.

Best attempt I've seen at giving that movie any coherency.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#51062: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:14:29 PM

I think all the movie really needed was a bit more connective tissue and breathing room and it would have been completely and utterly awesome.

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#51063: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:20:01 PM

Age of Ultron's only flaw is that there isn't more of it (and that Thor didn't say "Ultron. We would have words with thee.").

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#51064: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:21:02 PM

.....I actually think it has a lot of flaws, but I'm not gonna get into it since it's a pretty polarizing issue.

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#51065: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:23:03 PM

[up][up] The lack of "Ultron, we would have words with thee" is all the sadder because there's a few moments he could have said that. Like when he says "IS THAT ALL THAT YOU GOT?" during the Battle of Sokovia, or when he is teaming up with Vision.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
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#51066: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:25:11 PM

[up]Yeah, truly a tragedy.

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#51067: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:25:51 PM

I know some people don't like Whedon's dialogue but Thor deliberately monologuing to stall Ultron was a bit I really did like. I kind of wish it was longer.

"I am Thor, Son of Odin, and as long as there is life in my breast I...am running out of things to say, are you ready?"

He may not have said the line, but he certainly did have words with thee. Followed by some great Casual Danger Dialogue with Vision, discussing Mjolnir's balance.

edited 8th Feb '16 1:26:42 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#51068: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:29:24 PM

Well, I have two flaws, the movie should have been longer and they should have skipped the stupid love-story.

But who cares about Age of Ultron now? CIVIL WAR!!!!! I can't wait. I am just glad that Agent Carter, Ao S and Daredevil will fill the time at least a little bit.....

And my annual rewatch of the MCU. I am currently at The Incredible Hulk.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#51069: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:31:27 PM

I only hope they don't muck up the other classic Thor Battle Cry moment. The fabled moment of "For Asgard!", "For Midgard!", "For myself!".

Which in a brief detour has a cool detail, in that Odin's Rousing Speech is a paraphrasing of the poem Horatius from The Lays of Ancient Rome (which goes "To every man upon this earth / Death cometh soon or late / And how can man die better / Than facing fearful odds, / For the ashes of his fathers, / And the temples of his Gods.").

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
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#51070: Feb 8th 2016 at 1:33:13 PM

I figure the line wasn't included because: 1. Thor has never said "thee" or "thou" in any of his movies, so it would seem weird that his speech suddenly got so formal. 2. Judging by the very last (non-stinger) line of AoU, Whedon might've thought of adding it as pandering.

edited 8th Feb '16 1:33:47 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#51073: Feb 8th 2016 at 5:09:26 PM

Spider-Man's role in Civil War probably isn't very big. I'm expecting stinger.

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#51075: Feb 8th 2016 at 5:20:17 PM

[up][up]But scorpions have stingers, not spiders.

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