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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#50826: Feb 3rd 2016 at 9:54:51 AM

See, I don't want a World War Hulk. I think Hulk just being the king of a battle-planet as the new status quo is MUCH more interesting than all that being destroyed just because the Hulk can't be happy.

edited 3rd Feb '16 9:55:11 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50827: Feb 3rd 2016 at 9:56:28 AM

But leaving him on Sakaar would also be cutting off his stories. The entire end of Planet Hulk is Sakaar being destroyed because of course the Hulk can't stay happy. The Hulk is the Hulk because he is angry.

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#50828: Feb 3rd 2016 at 9:57:08 AM

Just have Sakaar get into interplanetary wars.

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#50829: Feb 3rd 2016 at 9:57:44 AM

It might be neat to have a Planet Hulk crossover with Guardians.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50830: Feb 3rd 2016 at 9:58:23 AM

I'd leave Hulk on Sakaar when Infinity War is over.

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#50831: Feb 3rd 2016 at 10:00:44 AM

Sakaar vs Asgard. Hulk vs Thor in a planetary level.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50832: Feb 3rd 2016 at 10:04:11 AM

Just have Sakaar get into interplanetary wars.
But then it still wouldn't be a Hulk story. Again: the Hulk, thematically, is about the Jekyll/Hyde dichotomy of anger - the barely contained rage under the skin of Bruce Banner, not put there by the gamma radiation, but rather his own abusive childhood.

Hulk stories are, fundamentally, about that dichotomy and about how close man is to beast. Making the Hulk the king of a planet fighting in Star War-esque wars would be...not that.

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#50833: Feb 3rd 2016 at 10:05:47 AM

Except when they're about the Hulk being his own three-dimensional character and having a bunch of split personalities.

But like I said earlier, the less of that we see in the MCU, the better.

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#50834: Feb 3rd 2016 at 10:07:30 AM

Just have the Hulk be a king with severe anger issues and trying to control them with his wife and friends.

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#50835: Feb 3rd 2016 at 10:08:34 AM

Someone mentioned something about rock music in Thor ragnarok.

And what we really need is not AC/DC (though we always need AC/DC), but rather, in the climax, as Thor bids his farewell to his comrades solemnly, and prepares for his final showdown against Jormungandr (which he knows he likely won't survive), he rides off to battle and Sabaton's Twilight of the Thunder God kicks in.

The screen then explodes with awesomeness.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50836: Feb 3rd 2016 at 10:09:18 AM

Except when they're about the Hulk being his own three-dimensional character and having a bunch of split personalities.
Well, there are different kinds of anger, so that kind of makes sense. There is the uncontrollable-childlike-rage that is the normal green Hulk, the petty-anger-at-the-world that is the grey Mr. Fixit, and there is the angry-revenge of the Green Scar.

Just have the Hulk be a king with severe anger issues and trying to control them with his wife and friends.
...you see how that might be an issue, right? I mean, I think Planet Hulk is a great story, but it wouldn't be great as a continuing story. It's a done-in-one. I would much rather Banner try to reconcile with being the Hulk on Earth with Betty and Jennifer and Rick Jones.

edited 3rd Feb '16 10:10:41 AM by alliterator

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#50837: Feb 3rd 2016 at 10:14:10 AM

But what about Banner?

That's my big problem with Planet Hulk: it's all Hulk. Banner is a prisoner inside the Hulk's mind, suppressed by the now-dominant Hulk identity.

This could happen in the comic because in the comic, the Hulk is rarely depicted as Banner's uncontrolled rage. Instead, he's basically a completely separate person who happens to be living in Banner's head and is frequently grumpy. The Hulk laughs, he cries, he has adventures on his own. Sometimes Banner and the Hulk get split from each other. And sometimes there are other personalities that pop up too, like mob enforcer Joe Fixit, the genocidal conqueror Maestro, or the civil, brilliant scientist Dr. Green.

Even the Planet Hulk and World War Hulk version of Hulk is considered a separate identity from the standard Hulk. He's the Worldbreaker persona: an intelligent and calculating leader who learns to master and harness his rage in a controlled fashion.

edited 3rd Feb '16 10:16:41 AM by TobiasDrake

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#50839: Feb 3rd 2016 at 10:39:43 AM

When you said Marvel and Coke were doing something big, I immediately thought you meant cocaine.

I've been following Hollywood for too long.

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#50841: Feb 3rd 2016 at 11:31:58 AM

Hasn't RDJ been sober for several years now, though?

zam Since: Jun, 2009
#50842: Feb 3rd 2016 at 11:34:19 AM

So is Captain America Coke or Pepsi?

edited 3rd Feb '16 11:34:29 AM by zam

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#50844: Feb 3rd 2016 at 11:38:15 AM

But Iron Man can't be Pepsi; he isn't blue.

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#50845: Feb 3rd 2016 at 11:41:37 AM

Thinking of painting his suit, and then thinking about Jarvis, which AI program do you think Tony will use? I guess he could just keep Friday.

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edited 3rd Feb '16 11:42:28 AM by yellowturtle

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#50846: Feb 3rd 2016 at 11:42:02 AM

Any guesses on how awkward the Coca-Cola product placement in Civil War will be?

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#50847: Feb 3rd 2016 at 11:48:47 AM

The worst thing about WWH is a plot point in it that's later used to create the worst hulk, the Red Hulk.

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#50848: Feb 3rd 2016 at 11:50:53 AM

The Red Hulk had a few good stories in him once he got over the hurdle that was his obnoxious introduction arc.

Which is to say, he was heavily flawed by both concept and execution but some writers have used him well.

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#50849: Feb 3rd 2016 at 11:54:53 AM

Do you remember how many issues it took for them to reveal who was his human persona? I remember we joked about how the new Lady Thor had such a dragged out road to her reveal(that was already pretty clear)that she reminded us of Red Hulk.

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#50850: Feb 3rd 2016 at 12:09:21 PM

Too many. I want to say it didn't happen until the mostly-atrocious Intelligencia arc started.

I say mostly because, while the whole thing was really stupid, there was one thing I did like: Doom breaking out of the Lotus-Eater Machine that all the world's greatest scientists were placed in. He was able to ascertain that their reality was artificial because, unlike the other scientists, he's also a sorcerer and could feel that the magic was wrong. This was a good use of the character.

And he was able to break everyone out by pissing off Banner until he Hulked out in the middle of his containment pod.

The good Red Hulk stories started after all that nonsense was resolved.

edited 3rd Feb '16 12:12:11 PM by TobiasDrake

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