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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#50802: Feb 2nd 2016 at 3:40:10 PM

Too much Photoshop or Uncanny Valley maybe? Looks to me like Sharon's wearing Black Widow's old costume or something.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50803: Feb 2nd 2016 at 3:45:46 PM

It's just a jacket, I think.

[up][up]Eh, I like it better than the other recent one where Sharon had a creepily tiny neck.

edited 2nd Feb '16 3:50:18 PM by comicwriter

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#50804: Feb 2nd 2016 at 4:01:10 PM

@comicwriter

More than anything, I'm not sure why there is a need for a Mockingbird spin-off. Are she and Hunter distinct enough from the rest of the team that they need their own show, or is it gonna just be more spy stuff?

Technically we don't know what the spinoff is going to be about as no synopsis has been released nor have any of the showrunners described the premise in any meaningful capacity. All we know is the main cast will include (but not necessarily be limited to) Mockingbird, Hunter, and the recently cast Dominic Fortune and the show is called Marvel's Most Wanted.

Given the title, I think it will be more of a crime procedural with superpowered bad guys then a spy show, but that's really just conjecture on my part.

There just isn't enough information out there for anyone to form a meaningful opinion of the show unless they absolutely love the character's of Mockingbird and Hunter to the point of being willing to watch them sit around and do nothing for an hour every week, or absolutely despise them to the point of refusing to watch any show that includes them regardless of what the show is actually about.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50805: Feb 2nd 2016 at 6:53:30 PM

Character banners for Civil War. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#50806: Feb 2nd 2016 at 6:58:53 PM

I am hoping for a mixture of Leverage and Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
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#50807: Feb 2nd 2016 at 11:03:00 PM

I just had the (maybe not good) idea of reintroducing AC/DC music to the MCU by opening Thor: Ragnarok with Thunderstruck similar to how Iron Man 2 opened with Shoot to Thrill. Maybe, also Highway to Hel(l), but that song's kinda overused.

edited 2nd Feb '16 11:04:25 PM by FoxBoxKid

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#50808: Feb 3rd 2016 at 2:02:24 AM

Thunderstruck would be kind of perfect for Thor.

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#50810: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:15:54 AM

Listing World War Hulk is kind of cheating. It's basically the second half of Planet Hulk.

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#50811: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:18:27 AM

I wouldn't want to see World War Hulk at all, because it would require so many characters to do a complete 180 on characterization and show a total lack of faith in Banner.

Not to mention about 40% of the people who made the decision aren't even with Marvel Studios.

edited 3rd Feb '16 8:18:49 AM by Khfan429

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50812: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:22:45 AM

I think he was just listing the general concept of World War Hulk, which is "Hulk beats up everybody."

But really, I want to see Peter David's first story, which is about the Leader holding a town hostage with gamma bombs. And then he blows it up.

edited 3rd Feb '16 8:23:19 AM by alliterator

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#50813: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:23:47 AM

Not necessarily. It could work with things just generally getting shittier for Banner.

Launching the Hulk into space wasn't a malicious move. He was supposed to land on an idyllic planet with lots of wildlife and flora where he could live out the rest of his days in exactly the way he's always said he wanted: Hulk just wants to be left alone.

What was stupid about it was the fact that they didn't tell him they were doing it, they just sprung it on him. Take out the pointless treachery and the basic plot still works: they send him into space, his pod is hijacked by the priests of Sakaar, he mistakenly believes he was sent to this godforsaken death planet to die.

He thrives, he conquers, he makes a new life, some dumbf*ck tampers with his pod during a parade and it explodes killing many, Hulk mistakes the accident for further betrayal and returns seeking revenge.

The entire story is driven by Poor Communication Kills with the exception of the one pointless moment of legitimate treachery that can easily be excised.

edited 3rd Feb '16 8:25:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#50814: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:28:05 AM

Wasn't WWH created because Planet Hulk was really popular and they needed a event for the year?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50815: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:42:48 AM

[up] The Hulk was always going to return, so WWH was always going to be a story. They just upped it from a Hulk story to a bigger crossover event, I believe.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#50816: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:45:34 AM

That's what I meant. At first it was just going to be a Hulk story about him coming back and seeking answers while seeing how Earth had changed while he was gone but it got turned into a massive event instead.

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#50817: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:46:28 AM

Yeah. Coming right after Civil War, they also tried to milk the CW fallout by doing the "CHOOSE YOUR SIDE!" thing again. Given that the entire plot was based on Poor Communication Kills, however, this didn't go well. Half the fanbase Flanderized the Hulk into a mindless beast, the other half didn't care about the Hulk's motives and really just wanted to see him punish Iron Man for Civil War.

Meanwhile, tie-in writers bent over backwards to justify whichever side they were on - with the most egregious example being the retcon that the reason the Hulk has always been justified with every rampage is because he's constantly doing complex mathematics in his head to calculate the trajectory of every piece of debris from everything he ever smashes, ensuring that no collateral damage ever injures a bystander.

edited 3rd Feb '16 8:47:19 AM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50818: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:51:41 AM

I already said why I wouldn't want to see World War Hulk in the MCU.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#50819: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:51:53 AM

I think a What If? story had the event be averted almost right away due to Thor talking Hulk down during a fight and together they save a bunch of civilians that were about to die.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50820: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:52:19 AM

ith the most egregious example being the retcon that the reason the Hulk has always been justified with every rampage is because he's constantly doing complex mathematics in his head to calculate the trajectory of every piece of debris from everything he ever smashes, ensuring that no collateral damage ever injures a bystander.
I think it was that subconsciously, while the Hulk is in control, Banner is still working on making sure that nobody gets hurt in his rampages. That was to explain why with all of his rampages over the years, nobody has died, not even during World War Hulk.

I mean, yes, billions in property damage, but no deaths.

edited 3rd Feb '16 8:52:53 AM by alliterator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50821: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:53:45 AM

Though Iron Man absolutely needed to be punished for Civil War. Thor giving him a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown while telling him what a loathsome piece of shit he is was one of the most cathartic things Marvel has ever published.

edited 3rd Feb '16 8:53:54 AM by comicwriter

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#50822: Feb 3rd 2016 at 8:55:00 AM

Basically, what they missed in the marketing for WWH is that it's actually kind of the opposite of Civil War, conceptually. Although it was poorly executed, the central idea behind Civil War was that both sides are in the right. They both have good points to make and are doing what they feel is right.

The central idea behind World War Hulk was that both sides are in the wrong. They've both made terrible mistakes and the conflict is a consequence of failures on everybody's part. Telling the audience to pick a side was effectively asking people to choose which set of Leather Pants they liked best and let the blame wars begin.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50823: Feb 3rd 2016 at 9:01:16 AM

It wasn't really a World War Hulk, either, in that it was pretty much confined to New York. And the ending to it was kind...meh (basically: the Sentry and the Hulk trade blows until both are knocked out and the Hulk reverts back to Banner).

It also led to one of the worst Hulk stories ever: Red Hulk. (Although while Red Hulk was going on, Greg Pak was doing his excellent "Skaar, Son of Hulk" story which was much, much better and was actually all about Banner.)

edited 3rd Feb '16 9:01:51 AM by alliterator

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#50824: Feb 3rd 2016 at 9:02:38 AM

Honestly, if we want a bad Hulk, I'd say bring in the Maestro. Have somebody tamper with the Time Stone before/during/after Infinity War and have versions of characters that could or could have been show up. End it with all the heroes banding together, mending the timeline, banishing Maestro to a future that may never be and sending everybody back. Everybody... except a black and red suited Spiderman.

Obviously this story would happen after Infinity War. The tamperibg is the only event that can come whenever.

edited 3rd Feb '16 9:03:25 AM by Zeromaeus

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#50825: Feb 3rd 2016 at 9:05:36 AM

See, the advantage of World War Hulk over the Maestro is that WWH doesn't involve cluttering up the MCU with all that "80 bajillion Evil Alternate Futures" nonsense from the comics.

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