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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#50751: Feb 1st 2016 at 10:13:28 PM

Agent Carter did pretty terribly last season—not as terribly as it's doing now, mind, but still.

I expect the +7 numbers will vindicate the program, like it did last season. (Average viewing numbers for season 1 for the night it aired were 5 mil, but counting DVR recordings, aka the +7 numbers, it rocketed up to a 7.5 mil average.)

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#50752: Feb 2nd 2016 at 2:40:37 AM

Late. Missed out on the Hulk jokes. But wait! No-one used this one!

Hulk cosplays as the protagonist of Trigun.

Hulk Vash!

edited 2nd Feb '16 2:42:33 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#50753: Feb 2nd 2016 at 3:32:10 AM

[up][up]It did way better than this season and I actually expected that even if some would stop watching it, the good word of mouth would bring new viewers. After all, critically it is very acclaimed, by critics and audiences alike. The only negative I ever heart about it was from (usually male) reviewers who disliked the feminist angle in it.

I am not sure if the DVR recordings will help this time around...the demographic might, but lets be real here, shows like this need people to watch it live to convince the advertisers. And Agent Carter isn't exactly cheap with all the work they put into making it look like 1940.

edited 2nd Feb '16 3:34:08 AM by Swanpride

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#50754: Feb 2nd 2016 at 5:51:21 AM

How odd. Agent Carter is fantastic. I can't watch it live, but I've yet to miss an episode.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50755: Feb 2nd 2016 at 5:57:00 AM

Even though I hadn't watched any of season 1, I tried to watch the season 1 premiere. I lost interest 10 minutes in and switched to see the Heroes Reborn finale.

edited 2nd Feb '16 5:57:14 AM by VeryMelon

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#50756: Feb 2nd 2016 at 6:41:05 AM

[up] Try again, from the first episode. It probably didn't make too much sense.

Crow: There's a plot?
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50757: Feb 2nd 2016 at 6:46:25 AM

It's not about being confused, I just didn't care about the show.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#50758: Feb 2nd 2016 at 7:16:56 AM

I know it's not right to get angry about someone having a different opinion about media, but have to admit set my rankles that not only do you not like Agent Carter but you twisted the knife by preferring the (I've heard horrible) Heroes Reborn.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#50759: Feb 2nd 2016 at 7:20:56 AM

I liked Peggy in TFA but I'm not sure that I'm interested in either Agent Carter or Agents of SHIELD. I might give them a shot down the line, but for now I'll probably just stick with the Defenders shows.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#50760: Feb 2nd 2016 at 7:35:05 AM

I love Agent Carter but I'm in no position to watch it on TV or... In any way.

I still can't believe they're going through with Marvel's Most Wanted. I like Morse and Hunter but I feel they work better as part of the whole ensemble rather than characters that can carry a show themselves. Also, between SHIELD and the movies and the Netflix shows I'm not sure where else we're going to mine villains from or how we're going to maintain some sort of universe-wide status quo. Certain aspects have already been sketchy on occasion.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50762: Feb 2nd 2016 at 7:48:20 AM

know it's not right to get angry about someone having a different opinion about media, but have to admit set my rankles that not only do you not like Agent Carter but you twisted the knife by preferring the (I've heard horrible) Heroes Reborn.

It's honestly how I feel.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#50763: Feb 2nd 2016 at 8:10:16 AM

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Regarding Marvel's Most Wanted, these sorts of spin-offs almost always bring in their own supporting cast. They don't center purely around the characters that were brought over from the parent show.

They've already cast Dominic Fortune, and I don't believe they have even announced a filming date for the pilot.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#50764: Feb 2nd 2016 at 8:51:01 AM

I am not really sure what they mean with Marvel's most wanted not really being a spin-off, but I take a shot in the dark and suspect that the idea is that the show is more an extension to Agent of Shield, which allows them to give those two characters more room. Meaning they will be still on Ao S, but more as the guys who are around when they come in handy, while their own arcs are moved to Most Wanted. It would certainly be a good way to deal with the danger of overcrowding in Ao S. I was very impressed that they somehow managed to juggle all the different storylines so far, but once Daisy's secret warriors are formed, there will be so many characters on the show that some of them will be short-shifted for sure.

Concerning Agent Carter: Everyone who likes the Captain America franchise should watch the show! It is closer connected to the movies than to Ao S, and considering that we are talking about eight episodes for the first season (with a concluded story-arc), watching it is not exactly a big commitment. Also Jarvis (who doesn't want to spend his whole live as disembodied voice, thank you very much). Also Howard Stark!

Though it makes my heart arching even more that Cap could have spend his life with this awesome woman.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#50765: Feb 2nd 2016 at 8:52:49 AM

I'm not overly fond of Hunter, and I don't feel like the show's done a very good job with Bobbi.

Maybe the two of them getting their own series will improve my opinions of them, but I doubt it.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#50766: Feb 2nd 2016 at 8:55:59 AM

I liked Hunter and Bobbi in season two, but I feel like season three's emphasized their relationship overmuch and placed too much focus on Bobbi's vulnerability and Hunter's chauvinistic machismo. Neither was a good direction to take their characters.

edited 2nd Feb '16 8:56:20 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50767: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:07:36 AM

What about when Bobbi totally electrocuted that guy to death?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50768: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:14:47 AM

My general eh-ness on the concept is that while I like Bobbi, I find Hunter to be painfully annoying. The writers are trying for lovable rogue but he just comes across like a huge douche.

That and it's hard for me to get excited about any more ABC Marvel shows when I now Know Netflix does it so much better.

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#50769: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:19:37 AM

The Elite Mook who constantly failed to be dangerous or threatening any time he was onscreen? Yeah, Bobbi electrocuting him was neat and somewhat made up for the Special Effects Failure that was her slow-moving gun-thwacking magic levitation-batons.

edited 2nd Feb '16 9:19:50 AM by TobiasDrake

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#50770: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:31:30 AM

I hate that so much of what rankles about Hunter is easy to read as cute and charming when applied to better actors and tighter scripting.

Like, he's really no different than Peter Quill, or Tony Stark. But I can tolerate those guys.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#50771: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:48:48 AM

Hunter is a lot of things, but a macho he is not. He is, despite his constant bitching, surprisingly comfortable with the knowledge that Bobbi is on every level more competent than him - a better fighter, better in picking up things aso. Sure, he was really intend on protecting her, but that was more because he knew that Ward had a vendetta and while she can protect herself just fine, she is not safe from someone taking a snipe riffle at her. And once she asked him to step back, he did and didn't protest at all when she and May went on the mission to find Ward.

That is btw something which is really refreshing about Ao S, May and/or Bobbi are leading missions all the time and it is treated as something totally natural because they are the most competent field agents the team has - actually, they are the only true field agents. Daisy, for all her powers, is still a junior and needs Mack as back-up (sometimes to protect her from herself), Hunter is a mercenary, not a trained agent, Coulson has other responsibilities as a director and Fitzsimmons are scientist who can be used in the field if necessary, but who are actually way too important to jeopardize them needlessly.

Who else is hoping that Fitzsimmons will be a thing again in the future? I really need those two back in sync. Which is strange, because I thought it was incredible annoying in the first season, but now I am missing the connection between them.

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#50772: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:54:13 AM

I preferred Hunter when he was being cute and charming.

It's this, "You damsel'd my woman-object! I will destroy you with all the violence I can muster! YOU WILL FEEL MY HEARTRAGE!!! Wow, that worked!" version of Hunter that I utterly detest, especially since - for some incomprehensible reason - the show expected us to be on his side.

The first half of season three was pretty much a love letter to the notions of Women in Refrigerators and Manpain.

edited 2nd Feb '16 9:55:13 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50773: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:56:20 AM

[up] Except for the fact that Hunter failed. Like, he legitimately failed at his objective and it was actually Bobbi and May who had to take over the mission.

I mean, I would have agreed if Hunter had actually accomplished his mission, but he didn't, the show pretty much showed how terrible it was and it failed. So it was more of a subversion of those tropes.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#50774: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:59:11 AM

He only failed to assassinate Ward. He still put Ward on the run and dismantled his proto-Hydra. He literally walked in the front door, picked up a gun that happened to be nearby, and started shooting people, and it worked. Ward was defeated and nearly killed while Hunter walked out unscathed. It was a successful Rambo-assault powered by furious man-rage.

edited 2nd Feb '16 9:59:37 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50775: Feb 2nd 2016 at 10:00:48 AM

He didn't dismantle proto-Hydra, though. He picked up a gun and started shooting, but that did nothing to Ward's operation. Ward and Kebo escaped and set up someplace else — and it was Bobbi and May that found Kebo and shut down the operation and killed Kebo.

Literally, the only thing that Ward accomplished was winging Ward with a bullet. And causing Ward to go through with his plan to attack Andrew Garner, which also backfired on Ward.


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