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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#50527: Jan 30th 2016 at 9:50:39 AM

@What Iron Fist will be about: We don't know yet but there were rumors about it pulling from Fraction's run.
God, I hope so. This is gonna be the best live-action Mortal Kombat ever!

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50528: Jan 30th 2016 at 9:58:46 AM

Yeah, Fraction and Brubaker's run was the best.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#50529: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:24:26 AM

Color-blind casting isn't really an applicable term if the goal is to cast someone who isn't white in order to avoid offending people who are easily offended by trivial things.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50530: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:25:26 AM

Do you like putting your foot in your mouth or something?

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#50531: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:27:25 AM

A person's race or sex isn't the defining attribute of their identity but, like, it is an attribute. A black person in the U.S. is unlikely to spend their entire life without ever, even once, encountering prejudice. Few if any women go through life without forming at least one experience that's affected by their sex. Many of these moments are easily overlooked if not outright unnoticed if you aren't part of the group affected by them; only a tiny sliver of racial or sexual oppression takes the form of a something big and noticeable like a burning cross, violent rape, etc.

Sex, ethnicity, religious affiliation, educational background, profession, sexual preference, gender identity, favorite hobby. There are countless elements that make people different, and all of them have an influence on how we interact with the world and how the world interacts with us.

The same is true of white men. The only reason we don't think being white or being male colors a person's experiences is because white men are assumed to be the default. We're so used to hearing the stories of heterosexual white men that we don't think of it as the Straight White Man's story. We just think of it as the normal experience for people.

If you assume that you can just write a black guy as having exactly the same history and background as he would if you were writing a white guy, then you're not really writing a black guy. You're writing a white guy wearing blackface.

edited 30th Jan '16 10:29:54 AM by TobiasDrake

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#50532: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:37:37 AM

Interesting, interesting.

So how does that that little rant apply to the idea that color-blind casting isn't really color-blind if your goal is to cast someone who isn't a particular color?

If the casting were truly color-blind should it not matter if Danny is white?

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#50533: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:43:55 AM

It doesn't. It relates to the larger conversation that was taking place, specifically as it regards to getting people of an ethnicity or sex involved in a series that's going to be starring a character of that ethnicity or sex.

Fact of the matter is, Danny's probably going to be white. Some people don't want him to be, because they want more diverse representation in the MCU. Some people aren't bothered by him being white, but still want more diverse representation in the MCU. Some people don't want more diverse representation in the MCU and would prefer if women and/or minorities stopped trying to get involved in their white power sausage-fest. And some people don't have a dog in the race one way or another.

Personally, I would rather skip Danny entirely, make him a supporting character in Luke Cage's series, and give Shang-Chi a show. That's what I want.

But what's probably going to happen is that Danny's going to be white.

edited 30th Jan '16 10:44:38 AM by TobiasDrake

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#50534: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:46:17 AM

Fabo. Now then, subject of discussion:

T'Challa's favorite pokemon?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#50535: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:50:04 AM

Kingdra.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#50536: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:53:23 AM

Do you like putting your foot in your mouth or something?

It's a constant theme with him. He loves espousing racist rhetoric.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50537: Jan 30th 2016 at 10:58:01 AM

Eagal, you are acting very troll-ish. I would recommend you add something substantial to the conversation or don't add anything at all. Also, saying things like "fabo" is pretty condescending.

After all, you don't want to get thumped, right?

edited 30th Jan '16 10:59:19 AM by alliterator

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#50538: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:01:24 AM

[up][up] And anti-feminist / outright sexist rhetoric.

edited 30th Jan '16 11:01:51 AM by higherbrainpattern

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50539: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:02:39 AM

If talking about race is so offensive to some we could always just go back to debating whether or not Loki's scepter is an Infinity Stone.

edited 30th Jan '16 11:05:20 AM by comicwriter

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#50540: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:04:10 AM

"Fabo" is short for fabulous (actually it's short for faboo which is short for fabulous, but either way). It was by way of indicating that I have no present beef with TobiasDrake with regards to the previous line of discussion. It's a word I use on occasion.

I saw no reason to continue that conversation, so I tried to change the subject. I suppose I could provide a tidbit more to it if you want, but you wouldn't like what I have to say.

Personally I'm in favor of the pokemon thing, e.g. I imagine Cap's favorite pokemon is Braviary. ;p

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#50541: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:04:45 AM

Too much discussion of other tropers instead of topic in this thread.

Reporting inflammatory statements will do more good than badmouthing each other.

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#50542: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:11:12 AM

we could always just go back to debating whether or not Loki's scepter is an Infinity Stone

It is. Mystery solved! =D

More to the point, will Vision survive losing the Soul Gem?

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#50543: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:13:08 AM

wild mass guessVision's brain is in the Soul Gem, not in the robot body. He will be inside the Infinity Gauntlet fucking up Thanos' shit.wild mass guess

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50544: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:13:16 AM

I'm banking on "he won't, but they'll find some way to bring him back without it / it'll be revealed that he no longer needs the stone to be sapient."

Though I don't know how they'll do that plot without doing what they did with JARVIS in Ultron in the first place (except in reverse).

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#50545: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:13:49 AM

He will die but return as a robot ghost.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#50546: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:14:45 AM

Did anyone else find it weird in Ultron how Tony apparently had a whole buncha AIs sitting around in a cabinet somewhere?

And by weird I mean mildly disturbing.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#50547: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:14:49 AM

If you assume that you can just write a black guy as having exactly the same history and background as he would if you were writing a white guy, then you're not really writing a black guy. You're writing a white guy wearing blackface.

Wait, isn't that the same argument behind "man with tits" complaints?

Also, over a week ago I brought up this topic in the Race - Privilege, Relations, Racism, etc. thread (which in turn sprung from this line of discussion on another thread) that asked for [ethnicity] characters in works in which their ethinicity wasn't either a major or minor theme.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#50548: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:14:52 AM

Vision will die and the fragments of Ultron inside will reboot his robot body and Ultron will come back.

[up][up]I mean, Tony had JARVIS. Why wouldn't he have more like him?

edited 30th Jan '16 11:16:46 AM by higherbrainpattern

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#50549: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:15:10 AM

Vision's powered by the Mind Gem, not the Soul Gem.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50550: Jan 30th 2016 at 11:16:36 AM

[up][up] And then the twist - it turns out to be Zola instead.


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