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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#50426: Jan 28th 2016 at 8:19:21 AM

I dont know about specter being evil or some failsafe of Thanos, it make the plot even more complicated that already is, also what it kickstart the whole plot is Wanda pushing Tony fears(the whole team dying because of him) which again, the movie gloss over

"And then the Vision scene comes along, and we find out that Tony was apparently not fudging the truth. He gets a second chance, he does exactly what he would've done if,"

....kind off, Bruce point out that is pretty much a gamble at best, since he is still dealing with Alien tech they dont have any idea it would work, Stark undetstand that and decide to do it anyway, the bad point there is that he does without their consent and yet, he manage to go away with it because it work.

In fact this should be a point of contention between the two in civil war, otherwise it make Tony just a dick.

"The Best scenes are by far the ones involving Vision, though. Especially his final talk with Ultron. That one is brilliant!"

Pretty much, and the reason is because the movie actually slow down for moments to let us see everything around, vision is pretty much the best part of the movie.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#50428: Jan 28th 2016 at 9:19:11 AM

On the one hand: Good, a writer which is already familiar with the Netflix shows will have an easier time to hit the right tone. On the other hand, though, Jessica Jones shined more on the meta level, the basic story telling was problematic. I mean, the show put two children into a cupboard which were never seen again!

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50429: Jan 28th 2016 at 9:23:17 AM

I mean, the show put two children into a cupboard which were never seen again!
That...wasn't really a loose end that needed to be tied up though. That was just an evil, dick move by Kilgrave. When we next saw Kilgrave, I think he was in a completely different apartment, I believe.

In any case, Scott Reynolds didn't even write that episode, he wrote "WWJD?" which was one of the best ones.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50430: Jan 28th 2016 at 9:24:39 AM

Plus, Kilgrave's orders only last 12 hours at that point. Those kids are fine now.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50431: Jan 28th 2016 at 9:26:40 AM

Well, physically, they are fine. Emotionally and psychology, they are probably pretty scarred.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#50432: Jan 28th 2016 at 9:32:07 AM

the children being left in the closet and never seen again is about as much of a loose end as that one guy who kilgrave ordered to toss coffee on his face.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#50433: Jan 28th 2016 at 9:55:28 AM

Ageof Ultron was just meh to me. Neat effects, but the rest was just dull. The constant, endless jokes and quips just took me out of the film. Ultron was a chump who spent the movie getting slapped around worse than Loki did and the drone army at the end was a pathetic Curb-Stomp Battle the entire time. Honestly, the twins should've been the real villains in the film since they could actually be threatening.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#50434: Jan 28th 2016 at 10:03:42 AM

Marvel has a tendency to try and make diversity match behind and in front of the camera.

This worries me.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50435: Jan 28th 2016 at 10:06:51 AM

[up]Er, what?

edited 28th Jan '16 10:37:57 AM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50436: Jan 28th 2016 at 10:07:25 AM

[up][up][up]They'd need to be much stronger than in the films for that to work. Ultron's threat came from being unkillable using drone bodies, and having the personal resources to drop an island back on Earth as an extinction-level event.

edited 28th Jan '16 10:07:34 AM by VeryMelon

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#50437: Jan 28th 2016 at 10:13:04 AM

[up]And as I said, the drones were pathetic. I'm pretty sure the Chitauri put up more of a fight. And the giant rock wasn't even treated like a big deal. The Avengers were joking the whole time and then Fury came in with a Deus Ex Helicarrier.

edited 28th Jan '16 10:16:03 AM by Guy01

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#50438: Jan 28th 2016 at 10:24:04 AM

They were pretty much joking the whole time in the first Avengers.

These are quippy movies.

Which is pretty true to the comics.

Pretty much anyone that puts on a costume suddenly fancies themselves a stand-up comic.

Actually, Scarlet Witch hiding and Hawkeye giving her the talk is a good scene for the opposite. She's more powerful than many of the Avengers but she's not treating this like a joke.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#50439: Jan 28th 2016 at 10:55:48 AM

The children left in the cupboard bothered me because that was apparently the same family Jessica followed Killgrave to later. The children were no-where seen, but even worse, the family itself didn't turn up again either, even though they were a bunch of witnesses which could have been used to help Hope's case.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#50440: Jan 28th 2016 at 11:02:10 AM

I disagree with all criticism aimed at Age of Ultron.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#50441: Jan 28th 2016 at 11:07:51 AM

Even the criticism that it really should have contained Thor saying 'Ultron. We would have words with thee"?

because it really should have.

It failed to pander to me specifically and that's terrible.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#50442: Jan 28th 2016 at 11:09:31 AM

Except for that. Age of Ultron is only a 10.9/10 because of a lack of "Ultron. We would have words with thee."

edited 28th Jan '16 11:09:51 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#50443: Jan 28th 2016 at 11:57:42 AM

"Ultron. We- (inhales)" *movie ends*

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50444: Jan 28th 2016 at 12:48:33 PM

Ruffalo on the Hulk:

“I’d love to do a Hulk movie, but that’s beyond my control,” Ruffalo explained. “It’s controlled by Universal [Pictures]. Marvel doesn’t even hold the rights to it. So, it’s not on the horizon. And I don’t know if it will be. But we have worked a really interesting arc into Thor 3, Avengers 3 and 4 for Banner that I think will – when it’s all added up – will feel like a Hulk movie, a standalone movie.”

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#50445: Jan 28th 2016 at 12:52:55 PM
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#50446: Jan 28th 2016 at 12:53:07 PM

Avengers 3 and 4 are IW 1 and 2, right?

[up]We know, you can stop pushing it all the time.

edited 28th Jan '16 12:53:38 PM by LordofLore

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#50447: Jan 28th 2016 at 12:58:40 PM

I haven't pushed the idea for pages and I only brought it up because it's VERY relevant.

Also, the freakin' article itself doesn't shut up about it!

edited 28th Jan '16 1:01:22 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50448: Jan 28th 2016 at 1:04:42 PM

It's not like Planet Hulk is the only major storyline possible with the Hulk.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#50449: Jan 28th 2016 at 1:08:32 PM

Name another major storyline well-known for starring Hulk in space and prioritizes Hulk's personality over Bruce.

edited 28th Jan '16 1:09:39 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50450: Jan 28th 2016 at 1:19:36 PM

Why exactly does the MCU have to prioritize Hulk over Bruce? In fact, we've had Word of God for a long time saying that they don't want to do that (as well as dislike of the idea from Ruffalo for the same reason, but his say in it ultimately doesn't matter as much as Feige's).

Also keep in mind that most of the MCU plots are more or less original stories. Only Captain America gets outright adaptations, and even those are extremely loose.

edited 28th Jan '16 1:23:36 PM by KnownUnknown


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