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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50352: Jan 27th 2016 at 8:46:09 AM

They're under no obligation to do so.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#50353: Jan 27th 2016 at 8:47:15 AM

Marvel isn't Dragon Ball, just because Thanos will be very powerful, doesn't mean that next Big Bad will be stronger.

Something I guess is that if Marvel extends far, will use ideas of MC 2.

  • Sylene: I am Sylene Lokisdóttir, and I will be the Big Bad of this film.
  • Kate Bishop: Interesting. Loki, why you never mentioned to your daughter?
  • Teen Loki: I dont know. I guess the same reason why Hawkeye never mentioned to his apprentice.
  • Kate Bishop: You win this time.

edited 27th Jan '16 8:54:26 AM by dantecito

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#50354: Jan 27th 2016 at 8:47:17 AM

Meanwhile, Marvel Studios could also use the Beyonders as their next Thanos.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50355: Jan 27th 2016 at 8:48:48 AM

[up][up]Bingo. Trying to just one-up the plot of the Avengers by making it "bigger" is a major reason why I thought the plot of Age of Ultron was weak.

Focus on telling a good story, not on Sequel Escalation.

edited 27th Jan '16 8:49:04 AM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50356: Jan 27th 2016 at 9:03:37 AM

Thinking about it Feige said the Black Panther movie is important to Infinity War. If the Masters of Evil show up in Part I Klaw could be one of their members.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#50357: Jan 27th 2016 at 9:07:20 AM

I am super keen for the Masters of Evil to show up in Infinity War, but I guess I'd be happy for them to hold on until Phase 4, and then spin off as the Thunderbolts in phase 5.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#50358: Jan 27th 2016 at 9:25:31 AM

I can imagine the Stinger of first movie of fourth phase.

edited 27th Jan '16 9:27:52 AM by dantecito

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50359: Jan 27th 2016 at 9:28:09 AM

[up]I'd love that.

The Stinger for Civil War could also be Loki approaching Zemo about putting together a group.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#50360: Jan 27th 2016 at 9:31:18 AM

If Loki dies you'd just need to replace Loki with someone like Amora.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50361: Jan 27th 2016 at 9:47:05 AM

Loki is definitely gonna survive. He's been such an Ensemble Dark Horse that I can't possibly imagine them killing him before Infinity War.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#50362: Jan 27th 2016 at 9:48:20 AM

I missed that you had CW in the posttongue. Yeah, he's going to live to at least IW 1.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50363: Jan 27th 2016 at 9:49:07 AM

The only way I could see Loki dying for real is if Thor went with him.

Loki "dying" and then coming back as Kid Loki would be interesting.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#50364: Jan 27th 2016 at 10:57:23 AM

The problem with the masters of evil in Infinity War, is that Loki, Magus and Thanos have already been confirmed.

So that basically is:

  • Thanos and his subordinates.
  • Magus and his subordinates
  • Loki and his subordinates.

Add more villains, would be very risky.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50365: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:02:05 AM

I don't think anyone here is suggesting the Masters of Evil show up in Infinity War. Rather, that they be the Big Bad of Phase 4.

edited 27th Jan '16 11:02:18 AM by VeryMelon

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50366: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:07:24 AM

[up][up]They have two whole movies to fill out though, and it's not gonna be the Avengers fighting Thanos from the get go.

It may not be the Masters but they're gonna have someone else for the Avengers to hit.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#50368: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:11:01 AM

Still think that they will solve Civil War in Infinity war 1. I want a whole phase with the Superheroes at odds with each other instead of one of the shortest war in history.

Back to Nebula: I think that James Gunn has shown very clearly that he uses the comics as inspiration at best.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50369: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:16:41 AM

[up][up]Loki isn't really a physical threat. There's a high likelihood the Black Order may show up, since the Russos mentioned the screenwriters reading Infinity for inspiration.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50370: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:18:15 AM

I suggested the Black Order be used in Infinity War a year ago actually.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50371: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:18:36 AM

Ooh, the Black Order is a good guess. Plus, if Black Swan shows up, that could be a neat segue into the Beyonders/Secret Wars.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50372: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:21:21 AM

A cool way to do the Thunderbolts/Masters is to have the Avengers either have taken huge losses in Infinity War, and even have some members be MIA entirely, and then have the Avengers movie in Phase 4 involve a sparkly new team of "heroes" pop up supposedly out to take the Avengers' place - but of course be run by Zemo for nefarious purposes.

edited 27th Jan '16 11:21:40 AM by KnownUnknown

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#50373: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:24:50 AM

Yeah. I really like that idea- was thinking of tying it into Civil War though, assuming that the Avengers break up after that and lose one or more members.

Here's my suggestion:

  • Citizen V/Zemo (obviously)
  • Justin Hammer- As Crimson Dynamo or MACH-I
  • Lorelei as Valkyrie and/or Loki as Thunderstrike (it would be Tom Hiddleston with his natural hair color and a beard)
  • Abomination or Red Hulk
  • Some evil Ant-Man equivalent- either Goliath or Female!Beetle

edited 27th Jan '16 11:27:36 AM by Hodor2

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50374: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:33:55 AM

Citizen V would be a great stand-in for Norman Osborn as Iron Patriot, actually. Captain America's image is tarnished and disgraced after Civil War, so Zemo steps in pretending to be a new badass patriotic superhero who quickly wins over the public.

edited 27th Jan '16 11:34:07 AM by comicwriter

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#50375: Jan 27th 2016 at 11:39:31 AM

Yeah, was thinking a combination of the two. Although, not so much Captain America being disgraced as assuming that Steve will be killed off (at least temporarily) and that Sam and/or Bucky will be operating as Captain America but not in connection with the Avengers.

So when "Citizen V" shows up with his shiny new super team...


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