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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50226: Jan 26th 2016 at 10:36:28 AM

Thor ends up on Sakaar and fights as a gladiator, hearing stories of another gladiator tearing through the ranks. Thor and Hulk meet up in the arena and fight. Hulk has made gladiator friends and a romance between him and Caiera is a subplot. Hulk and Thor do Ragnarok things and Hulk goes back at the end to rule over Sakaar.
That's...still a Planet Hulk movie and would have nothing at all to do with Ragnarok. At most, it seems like it would be a needless diversion. At worse, it seems like Thor is a supporting character in his own movie.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#50228: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:06:35 AM

Awww

If only the universe stopped trying to keep them apart.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#50229: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:09:50 AM

Act 1: Set-up to Ragnarok. Thor ends up on Sakaar.

Act 2: Condensed Planet Hulk storyline with Thor doing Thor things throughout.

Act 3: Thor and Hulk team up to do Ragnarok things. Thor dies to Jörmungandr and Hulk goes back to rule over Sakaar with Caiera.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#50230: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:13:12 AM

Ragnarok in Marvel land is usually Surtur's deal.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50231: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:13:55 AM

And/or Jormungand's.

edited 26th Jan '16 11:14:25 AM by KnownUnknown

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#50232: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:24:35 AM

Hulk goes back to rule over Sakaar with Caiera.

Which ends horribly and prompts Hulk to go back to Earth and beat everyone up.

Hey, if the MCU can redeem Civil War, why can't they do the same for World War Hulk?

This song needs more love.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50233: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:34:15 AM

Several reasons, one of which being that wanting to beat everyone up is the exact opposite of Banner's mentality and motivations in the films. Being willing to rule a planet in the first place would require a lot of twisting to make sense. Another being that you would be doing this arc that's supposed to be the culmination of Banner's personal arc when he really only been on the sidelines of crossover series so far.

But the main reason against it, one which was mentioned by Word of God ages ago, is that Planet Hulk is a Hulk plot, not a Banner one, and Banner/Hulk doesn't work the same way in the films such that you can just cut out Banner's character like that. In the comics, Banner has long since been reduced to being the guy that carries the Hulk around, and thus plots have gone on without him for ages because Hulk has a personality, motivations and desires of his own to develop.

In the movies, it's far different - Hulk is an extension of Banner's character and personal issues, not the other way around. So to have a movie that's just Hulk, unstead you'd be losing the main personality behind the character, causing his characterization (and thus the movie) to suffer.

edited 26th Jan '16 11:36:41 AM by KnownUnknown

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#50234: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:35:30 AM

[up][up]Actually, I think everyone on Sakaar dying would be better saved for a stinger for a different movie because that, combined with Thor dying, might be a bit too much of a Downer Ending.

edited 26th Jan '16 11:35:49 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50236: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:40:06 AM

If you like the idea that Hulk is an extension of Banner, rather than a separate personality on whom Banner has little bearing (barring the times they were merged), you probably won't like Hulk comics at all. The MCU's take on him is somewhat unique.

Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes is more like how he is in the comics.

edited 26th Jan '16 11:40:36 AM by KnownUnknown

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#50237: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:41:10 AM

I mean.

What sort of personality does Hulk have? In the comics? That would have a lot to do with it.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50238: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:47:25 AM

Hulk's personality is kind of all over the place. It changes Depending on the Writer, the arc and the time period. Sometimes he's nothing but Hulk Smash, sometimes smart but surly, sometimes he's a Grumpy Bear who just wants peace and solitude, sometimes he's a berserking kill machine, sometimes he's even an intelligent but terrifying master of Tranquil Fury.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#50240: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:49:07 AM

I prefer it when Hulk is a Grumpy Bear who wants peace and gets PISSED when people he likes/loves are hurt.

edited 26th Jan '16 11:50:31 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#50241: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:50:23 AM

Huge muscular dude who's main personality trait is anger is just a really, really, really tough sell for me.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50242: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:52:30 AM

Act 1: Set-up to Ragnarok. Thor ends up on Sakaar. Act 2: Condensed Planet Hulk storyline with Thor doing Thor things throughout. Act 3: Thor and Hulk team up to do Ragnarok things. Thor dies to Jörmungandr and Hulk goes back to rule over Sakaar with Caiera.
But, again, that mushing Planet Hulk right in the middle of Ragnarok. It would literally have nothing at all to do with Thor's story. He would only be a supporting character.

Plus, Planet Hulk is a big enough story to carry its own movie. I don't think shortening it down to squeeze it into the second act of Ragnarok would do any good, especially since, again, this is Thor's movie and not Hulk's.

Huge muscular dude who's main personality trait is anger is just a really, really, really tough sell for me.
I would suggest reading Incredible Hercules then. Much more fun.

edited 26th Jan '16 11:53:05 AM by alliterator

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#50243: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:54:05 AM

The talkative and fairly intelligent Hulk of Earths Mightiest Heroes is great, but it doesn't leave room for Banner.

Like the show literally has it that Banner makes a deal with Hulk early on and allows him to take over entirely and in the one episode where Banner appears, he has no emotional closeness with the Avengers (since they only know the Hulk) and Hawkeye tells him that he misses the Hulk.

The MCU is kind of the opposite extreme so far but I think I prefer it, because as much as I like the Earths Mightiest Heroes Hulk, that's really messed up to have it that people in-universe and out don't care at all about Banner.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50244: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:56:27 AM

There was a period of time during Peter David's run where Banner was able to merge all his various Hulk personas into one intelligent Hulk called, I believe, the Professor. And then there was the last one pre-Secret Wars, where Banner injected himself with Extremis in order to keep his intelligence (then he called himself Doc Green).

The current Hulk isn't Banner, though, it's Amadeus Cho and his Hulk is less angry and more...bro-y.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50245: Jan 26th 2016 at 11:58:31 AM

Speaking of which: Amadeus Cho in a movie.

In fact, Young Avengers: Amadeus, Cassie Lang, Kid Loki, maybe one or two of the Runaways if they survive their movie. Make it happen Marvel.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#50246: Jan 26th 2016 at 12:02:02 PM

Don't forget Kate Bishop. And Speed and Wiccan. And Hulkling.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#50247: Jan 26th 2016 at 12:02:53 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]The basic premise of Planet Hulk is: Hulk is a gladiator, makes friends, escapes, has a romance with The Dragon and learns her tragic backstory caused by the Red King, then overthrows the Red King to become King himself with The Dragon as his Queen. That could work fine as its own movie, but it could also be the second Act in a Thor movie.

edited 26th Jan '16 12:26:08 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#50248: Jan 26th 2016 at 12:04:43 PM

Fox only owns Kl'Rt right? Because I'm wondering how they'd deal with Hulkling's background in that case, since he's half Skrull, half Mar-Vell.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#50249: Jan 26th 2016 at 12:07:09 PM

I want there to be a trailer to a Hawkeye movie where it talks about the greatest sharpshooter known to mankind

And then its Kate Bishop while Clint is in the background looking half irked and half amused.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#50250: Jan 26th 2016 at 12:07:34 PM

Delroy Lindo joins Marvel's Most Wanted as Dominic Fortune!

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/26/marvels-most-wanted-delroy-lindo-dominic-fortune

edited 26th Jan '16 12:08:09 PM by yellowturtle

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