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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#50176: Jan 25th 2016 at 9:56:39 AM

The best way to do that movie at this point would be to have Banner join the guardians after IW and end up stranded on a planet after a movie with them.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#50177: Jan 25th 2016 at 9:59:12 AM

[up][up]I'd speculate that it was Loki that nabbed the Hulk for reasons that will make sense when we find out how he's involved in the events of Ragnorok.

Of course Hulk being...The Hulk, what he actually ends up doing might be totally unrelated to what Loki intended for him.

edited 25th Jan '16 9:59:59 AM by Falrinn

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50178: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:01:18 AM

Considering the beatdown that Hulk gave Loki at the end of Avengers...either Loki really wants revenge or Loki is really stupid or both, if that's the case. (I don't think it's either and I think the rumors are just rumors.)

edited 25th Jan '16 10:01:32 AM by alliterator

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#50179: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:08:06 AM

IIRC there was an article a couple of months back that indicated some level of Split-Personality Merge between Banner and Hulk, and we already kind of knew (from the same article?) that Thor and Banner would be teaming up (which would also suggest but not require Thor and the Hulk teaming up).

Which is to say that the premise of the film seems to borrow from if not necessarily adapt Planet Hulk.

Like a lot of Game of Thrones "rumors", these rumors sound like someone taking actual news and then making shit up.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#50180: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:12:09 AM

[up][up]What isn't a rumor is that Hulk is in Ragnorok. So either Thor has reason to specifically enlist the aid of The Hulk and none of the other Avengers, or the Hulk is already off of Earth.

I think that given what we know now, the latter feels more plausible than the former.

edited 25th Jan '16 10:12:31 AM by Falrinn

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#50181: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:17:53 AM

It just struck me that this(just like Ao U)looks to just take the name of a comic storyline instead of having anything to do with the storyline. Surtur really doesn't sound like he has a part in the movie.

edited 25th Jan '16 10:18:14 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50182: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:22:33 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up]I'm not sure what "implication" you're talking about. All it says is that he ends up on an alien world. It says nothing about how he got there or that he did so of his own free will.

We know he ends up on a cosmic road trip with Thor, so he has to end up in space somehow.

edited 25th Jan '16 10:23:07 AM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50183: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:26:59 AM

Which is to say that the premise of the film seems to borrow from if not necessarily adapt Planet Hulk.
Thor wasn't in Planet Hulk at all, so the only thing it would borrow from Planet Hulk would be "Hulk is trapped on an alien planet as a gladiator" if true. Which is, really, only the very first part of the story and the weakest.

I think that given what we know now, the latter feels more plausible than the former.
We know nothing except rumors. I think you take a look at all the rumors surrounding Age of Ultron, you will see a significant portion of them were wrong as well. We know Banner/Hulk is in the film, that it's a "universal road trip," and that's it.

I'm not sure what "implication" you're talking about. All it says is that he ends up on an alien world.
The implication from the end of AOU - he leaves everyone in order to go off and be alone. If he goes off to be on his own and then somehow ends up on an alien planet, that seems wildly coincidental.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#50184: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:28:17 AM

Never mind- misread arrows

[up] Well, I think the Gladiator aspect as well as the one of Hulk having some of Banner's personality and intelligence.

edited 25th Jan '16 10:29:21 AM by Hodor2

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50185: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:29:36 AM

[up][up] That's not an implication, it's an extrapolation. That end scene doesn't imply anything other than the idea that Banner is Walking the Earth now. It definitely doesn't imply he's going into space.

edited 25th Jan '16 10:30:23 AM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50186: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:30:32 AM

The Quinjet was later found abandoned in the ocean, with Fury thinking the Hulk swam off to an island somewhere. I doubt the Hulk got to space by himself.

And yes, Hulk being kidnapped or transported to space after leaving the team in anger would be coincidental. Ya know what else is coincidental? Half the shit that happens in these movies.

edited 25th Jan '16 10:30:59 AM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50187: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:32:47 AM

It'd be funny if someone does kidnap Banner to use him as a weapon against Thor, but it's not Loki. And when Loki finds out, he totally freaks out.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#50188: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:32:53 AM

Depending on how Civil War ends, it's entirely plausible that Hulk may still be on Earth, but ends up being the only person Thor goes to for help.

Notably, none of the movies between Civil War and Ragnarok are about any characters who have been part of the MCU Avengers before, which means it's entirely possible that a huge shake-up happens among the team that lasts beyond that particular movie. If Thor comes back in a hurry, he may not have time to round up anyone besides Banner.

Even if he does have the time, the situation may be dire enough that Hulk is the only backup Thor feels he needs or is comfortable bringing. Of his friends in the Avengers, Cap is merely peak human, Black Widow, Hawkeye and Falcon are behind even that, and Stark and Rhodes, as impressive as their armor is, are way out of their element in a world of magic and monsters. Aside from Hulk, the only people Thor would likely think to contact who could handle themselves are Vision and possibly Scarlet Witch, and they may very well be indisposed by the time Ragnarok rolls around.

edited 25th Jan '16 10:33:23 AM by Khfan429

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#50189: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:37:36 AM

In the comics Thor was dead when Civil War happened and when he came back he really didn't trust his old "friends". If he comes to Earth after everything has gone down I can see him finding Banner going on a trip with him.

We really don't want Planet Hulk to be a Thor movie.

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#50190: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:40:00 AM

Something like that might work after Infinity War - that seems like a good place to have superheroes becoming not just the norm, but commonplace.

People were saying the same thing about the first Avengers movie. That it would be the turning point for the MCU, where superheroes became commonplace.

It's not going to happen. I don't think the MCU is ever going to be like 616 New York, where the Wrecking Crew can have an all-out brawl with Spider-Man and Thor and nobody bats an eye because this happens three times a week.

Which is probably for the best. 616 New York is a shithole and nobody should ever live there.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50191: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:42:44 AM

That's not an implication, it's an extrapolation. That end scene doesn't imply anything other than the idea that Banner is Walking the Earth now. It definitely doesn't imply he's going into space.
I never said it did. I said it implies he went off to be alone. There is absolutely nothing to indicate he can get into space, so him ending up in space would be weird.

We really don't want Planet Hulk to be a Thor movie.
Yeah, Planet Hulk is a big, giant storyline. I really, really doubt they would try to not only condense it, but insert it into a completely different big giant storyline where it wouldn't make any sense.

I mean, if they just use the opening to Planet Hulk, then that in itself would be a waste of the Planet Hulk storyline.

edited 25th Jan '16 10:43:39 AM by alliterator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50192: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:43:25 AM

We've been told very little of Ragnarok takes place on Earth, so Thor encountering Hulk somewhere else makes sense.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50193: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:44:05 AM

Very little doesn't mean none. He could easily meet Banner on Earth and then they go off on a trip.

edited 25th Jan '16 10:44:19 AM by alliterator

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#50194: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:47:37 AM

I'm pretty sure doing Planet Hulk in a Thor movie would enrage fans pretty hard.

  • THOR: I'm surprised to see you here!
  • BRUCE: Yeah, I got exiled and had an adventure on this planet. It was pretty cool. We can't show you any of it because of distributing rights issues, but suffice it to say, it was great.
  • THOR: Neat. Anyways, back to me!

edited 25th Jan '16 10:47:56 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50195: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:56:53 AM

Yeah, I think that's what bugs me about the rumors. Fans really want a Planet Hulk movie, but they don't want Planet Hulk shoehorned into a Thor movie, because that just doesn't make any sense.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50196: Jan 25th 2016 at 10:58:27 AM

I never thought putting Hulk into Thor 3 was some attempt at using Planet Hulk's premise, but I get how other perceive it that way.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50197: Jan 25th 2016 at 11:05:34 AM

Just the Hulk, no, but the Hulk on Sakaar as a gladiator, yes. That was the rumor.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#50198: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:20:10 PM

Hey, if Hulk decides he's just gonna walk to outer space, are you gonna tell him he can't do that?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#50199: Jan 25th 2016 at 1:21:32 PM

I'm pretty sure the Hulk still needs oxygen to live. I think there was an old issue where he jumps so high that he reaches the upper atmosphere and then falls unconscious.


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