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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#50101: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:04:03 PM

Still sort of miffed Heimdall and Sif aren't related in the MCU(brother and sister in the comics). Could've just said she was adopted by Heimdall's family after her own got killed or had him adopt her as his daughter. Would've helped both characters.

edited 23rd Jan '16 2:16:11 PM by LordofLore

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#50102: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:07:05 PM

Regarding Peter Parker in the Quinjet:

Two things: Dude, is that a bruise on your eye? Also, is it me or is Tom looking a lot like Tobey Maguire in that picture?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#50103: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:12:36 PM

I think that Alan Rickman was great in the role of Severus Snape. I nevertheless think that he was too old for the role and in order to make it perfect, I would have loved to see this performance from an actor who was in his early 30th when they made the first movie.

I feel the same about Idris Elba as Heimdal. He does a great job, but I still would have preferred this performance from a guy who looks more than an actual norse god.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#50104: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:16:22 PM

I mean being accurate to the myths is a ship that sailed when they gave Thor blond hair instead of red.

Plus the enchantment on Mjolnir.

Marvel Asgard was always not myth accurate.

For instance, they never did an issue where Odin forces Loki to seduce a horse so that Odin doesn't have to pay a contractor. Which, honestly, would be a good reason for Loki to scheme to take over Asgard.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#50105: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:20:50 PM

they never did an issue where Odin forces Loki to seduce a horse so that Odin doesn't have to pay a contractor. Which, honestly, would be a good reason for Loki to scheme to take over Asgard.
Agreed.

edited 23rd Jan '16 2:21:51 PM by higherbrainpattern

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#50106: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:23:30 PM

Yeah I'm with Gaon on Heimdall. Weirded out by the casting initially, but not really angry, the film gives a perfectly fine reasoning for why it's the case, and besides he played the shit out of that role, to the point he's one of my favorite characters in both movies despite not actually getting to do a lot on screen.

@Wack'd I think a lot of Portman's disinterest in the role has more to do with the Executive Meddling drama surrounding Patty Jenkins who she personally vouched for.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#50107: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:26:20 PM

Can we get a comic depiction of that time Loki gave birth to a wolf so big it's back scrapes the sky?

Damn I love norse mythology. Mostly because it's fascination with gender and being the Ur example of time travel, but also because of how absurd some of the stories are.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#50108: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:39:00 PM

Someone on the Thor Fridge page pointed out that Heimdall being black actually makes sense since in the Norse myths Heimdallr said to be the father of "the holy races", which is sometimes interpreted as humanity.

But he's also called "the whitest of the gods" so eh. Pick and choose; I pick Elba.

edited 23rd Jan '16 2:39:10 PM by Tuckerscreator

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#50109: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:43:57 PM

Isn't the Marvel universe's Ragnarock mechanic an excuse for why the mythology might be different now than it is in the days of mythology.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50110: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:44:06 PM

I feel like I stepped into a time warp that this is even still the topic of discussion. The ship has sailed.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50111: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:48:09 PM

IIRC, the bit Elba said about the 2nd movie was something along the lines of it feeling off to him to go from playing Nelson Mandela to playing a space viking.

Given his appearance in Ultron, he probably got over it.

edited 23rd Jan '16 2:48:16 PM by KnownUnknown

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#50112: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:54:43 PM

[up] That was the misquote from him I was trying to remember. Yeah, he clarified that he didn't mean that as a bad thing, just commentary on how odd his life is.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50113: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:58:01 PM

#7 made me laugh.

edited 23rd Jan '16 2:58:45 PM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#50114: Jan 23rd 2016 at 2:58:38 PM

The only one I'd disagree with is MCU Avengers Cap.

(Though I do have a fondness for the dumb Avengers leather jackets since they were around when I started reading comics)

edited 23rd Jan '16 2:59:27 PM by Bocaj

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50115: Jan 23rd 2016 at 3:07:05 PM

[up]I did like them commenting on how it was just quietly ditched and never seen again. I can imagine Steve putting it in a closet and never speaking of it again.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#50116: Jan 23rd 2016 at 3:21:47 PM

It's not hideous, but it is probably the least attractive costume in the MCU.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#50117: Jan 23rd 2016 at 3:26:54 PM

I wish that Cap's Super Soldier outfit from The Winter Soldier had stayed. It's his best look IMO.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50118: Jan 23rd 2016 at 3:36:46 PM

I like that his Civil War and AOU suits due resemble the Super Soldier outfit, just with more color.

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#50119: Jan 23rd 2016 at 3:37:17 PM

@Targetmaster Joe I know. That's the first thing I thought, that he looks like Tobey Maguire.

Apparently, he fell off the set recently and that's what the bruise is from.

Crow: There's a plot?
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50120: Jan 23rd 2016 at 4:42:03 PM

Clearly an MCU hazing ritual gone wrong.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#50121: Jan 23rd 2016 at 4:53:06 PM

Or maybe two actors being made up to look like the same character.

edited 23rd Jan '16 4:53:55 PM by Zeromaeus

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#50122: Jan 23rd 2016 at 5:01:15 PM

So since we're talking fashion, can we talk about War Machine (Iron Patriot is a stupid name, and I will never use it :p)? I saw a very brief part of Iron Man 3, and when I saw him, for just a second, I thought it was a cameo appearance to show us that Tony had finally talked Steve into letting him build a Captain America Iron suit. Was very disappointed to find out it wasn't.

On a totally different note, can we talk about AOU for just a minute? Specifically, the part where Ultron captures Natasha and she builds a transmitter to lead the Avengers to her. I know this has been very controversial, but I just thought of an explanation I don't recall seeing yet. Maybe she built the transmitter instead of just leaving, because she was trying to lead the Avenger to Ultron, rather than her.

"okay, but why couldn't she escape and then lead them back?" Because after being mind-whammied by Wanda she wasn't sure of her cognitive ability to escape, lead them back to right place, and spot any minute changes to the environment that could indicate a trap.

"why couldn't she set up the transmitter and then escape, then?" Because she assumed as soon as Ultron realized she'd escaped he'd start checking for things like transmitters, listening devices, etc. and destroy them. And then we're back to my previous point.

Another reason for her to stay put: if the Avenger were coming to get Natasha, they'd assume she was bait for a trap and proceed accordingly (she hopes). If she escapes and they go back in full force, they might not be as cautious as they should be. Plus, if Ultron was going to talk at her, she might actually get some info that could help.

Or, maybe it really was just shitty writing and I just wasted a lot time doing mental gymnastics [lol] . That's always possible.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#50123: Jan 23rd 2016 at 5:10:16 PM

What is with Spider-Man and stage accidents? tongue

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#50124: Jan 23rd 2016 at 5:15:55 PM

The ghost of Tobey Maguire trying to have his revenge.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#50125: Jan 23rd 2016 at 6:15:13 PM

Spiderman does lots of jumps and flips and what have you. Even relegating most of that to CGI or stunt-men, I imagine the role is a very physical one.

Plus, he's got to do this in figgem spandex. No fancy dancy supersuit, or magic hammer sentai armor or even military gear. Nope. Just what he, or Gwen, or MJ could patch together on a freelance cameraman's budget.


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