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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Y'know, I can't help but feel that if Captain America couldn't lift that hammer, Jane sure as heck can't. (Unless you subscribe to the theory that Cap was holding back just to be modest.)
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.Had a thought based on that comment a bit upthread about Hydra and Citizen V.
So, assuming that Steve dies (or "dies") at the end of Winter Soldier and potentially, the Avengers split up, the MCU could easily introduce the Thunderbolts under their original premise of "new and improved super hero group that takes over in the absence of the Avengers". And I get the sense that Zemo will be ambiguously killed off in the film.
And what I was thinking is that in the next movie (Captain America or Avengers) you could have Sam operating as Captain America and maybe Bucky using the identity as well (or calling himself Nomad) and a mysterious hero calling himself Citizen V would show up and seem to be doing a better job and would organize a superhero team- and of course, would actually be Zemo (although in universe and maybe out, there might be some suggestion that it was Steve).
Edit- Was sort of thinking of a combination of the different Supermen that showed up after Superman's "death" as well as the original Thunderbolts plotline.
edited 22nd Jan '16 7:21:41 AM by Hodor2
Portman still has one movie left on her contract. Personally, I like Portman, even though Jane wasn't given much to do, so I hope the director does give her a lot of good stuff to do. She could totally pull off being Thor.
edited 22nd Jan '16 7:22:31 AM by alliterator
The fact that she hasn't been given much to do and that she hasn't been much beyond Thor's love interest is exactly why she shouldn't be Thor. That's not just a mantle you hand off so you can give someone something to do.
It's not like in the comics, where Jane is a medical professional dedicating her time to helping other people. Here she's an astrophysicist displaying concern for the guy she ran over (so it's partially motivated by guilt as much as if not more than any form of altruism), helping said guy break into a government facility to get her research back (and sure, Thor did the same thing, but at the time he was most definitely not acting worthy), and generally not displaying any greater signs of morality than the average person.
edited 22nd Jan '16 7:57:13 AM by Khfan429
Becoming Thor gave her a big push in popularity in the comics. She went from being a kind of neat supporting character who sometimes shows up to a pretty significant Base Breaker who, love her or hate her, everyone had a strong opinion on.
The same could happen in the films.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.A big part of being likable is what the character gets to do. Giving a character more to do in ways that positively influence the story can often result in an upswing in popularity.
edited 22nd Jan '16 10:34:35 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Say the rumors are true and Hela destroys Mjolnir. She scatters the pieces to the Nine Realms and Thor and Hulk have to go and find them all, but the last piece is on Earth. Jane gets the last piece and finds them, but they are captured before they can put it together, Jane puts it together, wham, she becomes Thor and saves the day!
Actually, that sounds pretty good.
She shouldn't get anything as extreme as becoming Thor. Again, that's not something you just do because an uninteresting love interest needs something to do, at least not without really awful writing. "And now she's worthy" isn't satisfying, because there's nothing to suggest there's anything special about her now.
In two movies, the most notable things we have about her are that she's a brilliant astrophysicist, and she has a very unconvincing and stilted romance with Thor. Neither of those things speak to why she should be able to pick up the hammer.
And given that it's the MCU, I doubt she'd become "Thor" either way, because unlike in the comics (and even then, in cases such as Eric Masterson the whole point was that he was pretending to be the same person), in the movies Thor is never treated as anything less than the character's identity. It is who he is. They can't just make Jane Thor because Thor is Thor. Best they could do is have her pick up Mjolnir and have the same powers, but again. There is zero evidence Jane can do that, especially since none of the Avengers can.
edited 22nd Jan '16 11:40:25 AM by Khfan429
But, again, I can easily see a storyline for the movie where Jane desperately tries to help Thor reassemble Mjolnir and save the world, even at the cost of her own life. Remember: it was self sacrifice that caused Mjolnir to decide that Thor was worthy - so if she sacrifices herself, the hammer could easily decide she was worthy.
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Well, I'm not sure what criteria Jane has that Captain America lacks.
I mean even if we take into account the film's Blood Knight interpretation of Cap (which I don't think is totally offbase), he's basically an avatar of pureness personified, whereas she's essentially an average, good person.
Like if Jane could lift it, so could most people in the world (maybe they can?)
That is a good point though with the self-sacrifice element.
edited 22nd Jan '16 11:46:03 AM by Hodor2
The Avengers are outright heroes. Jane, on the other hand, has never been shown to be particularly... anything that might make someone worthy, not any more so than any of them. MCU!Jane doesn't even have the notable argument that she's a medic and therefore an everyday hero, because they made her an astrophysicist.
As I said before, there's nothing to suggest she's any more virtuous or anything that makes someone worthy than the average person. If the Avengers aren't capable of being on Thor's level of worthiness even after all we've seen them do, what possible evidence is there that Jane is anywhere near there? There isn't any, because Jane's role is limited to Thor's love interest and brilliant scientist. There is nothing heroic about her in the MCU.
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The fact that Vision didn't get any of Thor's powers makes it entirely possible he isn't actually worthy, and is instead treated the same as a coat rack or an elevator. Suspiciously, we never see any of Ultron's bodies try to pick it up, so we have no idea how it treats artificial intelligence.
edited 22nd Jan '16 11:49:00 AM by Khfan429
In the comics, Steve can pick up the hammer in moments of extreme danger...but not before. Hell, Superman picked up the hammer once, but then couldn't lift it again afterwards, because the danger had passed.
That's why saying "Captain America couldn't pick it up, therefore Jane can't" is stupid.
edited 22nd Jan '16 11:49:22 AM by alliterator

It could of course be a very loose adaptation much like how Civil War and Winter Soldier were loosely based off the original stories.
As for Wong I imagine he'll be his assistant and partner but they'll drop the butler bit, except maybe as a cover. Like the whole "True Mandarin" thing I imagine they're gonna be very careful with how they handle Wong since the comic character has sort of an iffy history.