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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49926: Jan 21st 2016 at 12:23:31 PM

At some point I'd like legislation for superheros in general to become a thing; stuff like the right to anyomanity, ability to give testimony in court as your superhero alias.

For now, legislation for the Avengers feels like a good first step, considering the MCU is only eight years old at this point.

The world building in AOS sounds super interesting, I should watch it.

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#49927: Jan 21st 2016 at 12:25:46 PM

Giving testimony under an anonymous identity is extremely unconstitutional and would be stripped from the laws by the Supreme Court immediately.

Right to anonymity for superheroes wouldn't fare well either. The United States does not look kindly on KGB-esque Secret Police. In a world where anyone can put on a mask and be considered a superhero, that way lies a nation ruled by fear.

edited 21st Jan '16 12:27:23 PM by TobiasDrake

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#49928: Jan 21st 2016 at 12:32:40 PM

@49924 Much as I understand the reasoning behind Cap, kinda hard to be sympathetic when said organization was run by Nazis. tongue

edited 21st Jan '16 12:33:10 PM by Eagal

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49929: Jan 21st 2016 at 12:40:07 PM

[up][up]they can still be accountable. If they are found to be destructive then strip them of their alias, mean while you can verify that they are the superhero they say they are without removing their make, you can have a DNA profile on them which is more obscure than the data normally logged on citizens. Things like retina scans.

The main reason I suggest it is that unless Spiderman can make an appearance in court, every one he captures is going to walk. The costumed super hero doesn't work if they can't take part in the legal process.

A lot of She Hulk stories hinge on super heroes in court. Whether it's legally plausible doesn't diminish how vital it could be to the setting.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#49930: Jan 21st 2016 at 12:48:48 PM

Something like a registration already exists in the MCU, though. It's called "The index". We shouldn't forget that Fury was already working on an Avengers initiative before Iron man even popped up.

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#49931: Jan 21st 2016 at 1:20:06 PM

Courtrooms aren't usually equipped with retinal scanners or DNA analysts - the latter of which is time-consuming and woefully unreliable anyway. Besides, being able to prove the hero's identity counteracts the entire premise of a secret identity. Spider-Man would never agree to have his DNA and retinal scan on file because it could be used to prove he's Peter Parker.

If he were willing to be legally identifiable, there's no reason he couldn't take off his mask and testify as Peter Parker.

This is a No-Win situation that rests at the heart of the whole concept of anonymous superheroes. Either Spider-Man cannot testify in court, or some of the basic foundations upon which our justice system was built have to be thrown out in favor of a dystopian society where Secret Police are watching your every step and defendants can be convicted on the shakiest of evidence because they're considered guilty until proven innocent.

Superheroes were never meant to be legally viable.

edited 21st Jan '16 1:23:38 PM by TobiasDrake

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#49932: Jan 21st 2016 at 1:24:43 PM

I recall in She-Hulk during "Spider-Man v. The Daily Bugle", they had this special Avengers Mansion scanner used to prove he was Spider-Man without taking off his mask. I wonder how that worked.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49933: Jan 21st 2016 at 1:44:28 PM

A report about Thor: Ragnarok claims Hela is indeed the villain, and that she sets off the events of the film by destroying Mjolnir. It also speculates she's gonna end up as a Composite Character with Death.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49934: Jan 21st 2016 at 2:03:02 PM

That's...quite a change if true.

Edit: Oh god, when Ruffalo said "road movie" I thought it would be on different worlds like they said before but Thor without the hammer and likely his powers makes me scared it'll be mostly on Earth like in Thor 1 only this time with Banner/Hulk and somewhere other than Jotunheim as the non-Asgard other world. Urgh.

Well, at least we know comic!Thor will get Ultimate!Mjolnir around the time the movie comes out. Not like him being unworthy will be explained.

edited 21st Jan '16 3:45:17 PM by LordofLore

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#49935: Jan 21st 2016 at 2:13:36 PM

Unless the road trip is with the Hulk this time...come to think of it, Thor and Banner haven't really interacted that much outside of when Banner hulks out. Plus, Thor would still have his super strength without Mjolnir, it's wouldn't be like when he turned human in the first Thor.

edited 21st Jan '16 2:13:46 PM by AdricDePsycho

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49936: Jan 21st 2016 at 3:40:28 PM

[up][up]It's already explicitly been confirmed that most of the movie takes place off of Earth. We've known this for a while.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#49937: Jan 21st 2016 at 3:41:26 PM

  • Hela: Loki, I am your daughter!
  • Loki: No. No. That's not true. That's impossible!
  • Hela: Search your feelings, you know it to be true!'''
  • Loki: In fact really it is impossible, you are older than me.
  • Hela: Well, in this case I am your mother!
  • Loki:OK. I don't care anyway.

edited 21st Jan '16 3:41:57 PM by dantecito

FoxBoxKid Philosophy Enthusiast from California Republic Since: Oct, 2013
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#49939: Jan 21st 2016 at 3:48:59 PM

Honestly I'm almost disappointed Hela isn't going to be Loki's daughter.

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#49940: Jan 21st 2016 at 3:56:26 PM

[up][up]Get a Wong to play a Wong, eh? tongue

I'm Chinese, so I can dig it.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49941: Jan 21st 2016 at 3:57:08 PM

[up][up][up][up],[up][up]Funny you should bring that up.

In comic canon Hela is timey wimey. Hela sends her new handmaiden Leah to work with Loki but she ends up disappearing into nothingness after Hela gets her real hand back thanks to Kid!Loki(get it, she was her right hand?). Kid!Loki creates a new Leah by rewriting history to make a loophole in a prophecy and she later ends up being transported to pretty much the Earth's creation to be safe from Loki on Kid!Loki's order. Leah ends up becoming the person we know as Hela. So where did Hela and Leah first come from?

edited 21st Jan '16 4:01:25 PM by LordofLore

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#49942: Jan 21st 2016 at 4:11:21 PM

[up]x4

How reliable are they by the way? I liked him a lot in the The Martian, not sure how he'll do in this role but it could be interesting. Two Benedicts, eh.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49943: Jan 21st 2016 at 4:15:17 PM

The Hollywood Reporter is a very reliable source.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#49944: Jan 21st 2016 at 4:31:46 PM

The Hollywood reporter is the one website I don't dismiss when they report rumors.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#49945: Jan 21st 2016 at 4:35:09 PM

Excellent. I'm happy he's in, and really curious to see how they'll adapt him.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49946: Jan 21st 2016 at 5:19:17 PM

If the Hela report is true I am surprised; I was certain we'd be getting the enchantress. I guess this makes The Masters of Evil a little more distant.

I wonder what dynamic Wong and Stephen will have; butlers are out of fashion in this century.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#49947: Jan 21st 2016 at 5:23:18 PM

A Personal Assistant, a co-surgeon. Quite a few options.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49948: Jan 21st 2016 at 5:24:03 PM

I liked the animated movie, which had him be his teacher and guide when he first joined, and then the two of them were the only ones left.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49949: Jan 21st 2016 at 5:26:28 PM

Didn't we get a rumor that it's partly based on The Oath(I think it was even the Strange book in the "Strange, Danvers and T'Challa are coming to the MCU before 2020!" sale on the digital store)? I'm going to sleep soon so if I remembered right someone else will have to explain that book.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#49950: Jan 21st 2016 at 5:50:30 PM

No confirmation but the presence of Linda Carter and rumored castings for Nicodemus West basically set it up to be the case. And it is one of his most iconic stories, and a popular recommended starting point into the character. Points against it would be the fact that the Joblo leaks mentioned that Dormammu and Mordo would be the villains of the film, and aside from a few cameos those two are notably absent from this storyline, which is a much smaller and more personal conflict.


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