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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yeah, but immigrants would most likely not visit fancy clubs, would they? Unless it is a fancy club for "their kind".
edited 20th Jan '16 2:25:16 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.![]()
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Immigrants? I'm talking about American citizens that were black.
Just because discrimination in the 1940s was more widespread doesn't mean that they weren't walking around the streets and avenues of cities like LA or New York, working, playing, raising families, etc.
edited 20th Jan '16 2:27:45 PM by higherbrainpattern
I mean, I don't wanna get into "did season one Carter have diversity issues", because I feel like the show has decided to answer with "yes, but season two won't as much" and that's as good a last word as any.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.I think Mike's arc was one of the worst, because the theme of his introductory plot was basically, "lol, black people can't be superheroes".
I'm nervous but cautiously optimistic about Wilkes' plot going forward based on this comment from this interview
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"His fate is a large part of what drives Peggy in the second season, as she feels responsible for putting him in harm’s way. His knowledge as a scientist can help Peggy and the team as they try to find a way to counteract Zero Matter, but being exposed to this substance exacts a toll on him both physically and mentally. In a way, the battle between Whitney Frost and Peggy becomes a battle for Wilkes’ soul."
edited 20th Jan '16 2:29:26 PM by Hodor2
That struck me too, but I think that even if Sousa would have a problem, he probably wouldn't want to get on Peggy's bad side by making a comment.
And while the cop more likely would have a problem (glad the show alluded to how awful the LAPD was at this point), Peggy and Sousa are basically his bosses at this point and he wants to be on their good sides- so if they aren't saying anything, he isn't either.
Edit- I think both seemed kind of uncomfortable though, but at least in Sousa's case, it seemed more due to someone making romantic overtures and Peggy being receptive to it than becuase of Wilkes' race.
edited 20th Jan '16 2:33:09 PM by Hodor2
edited 20th Jan '16 2:44:27 PM by alliterator
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Well he's introduced in the Pilot having what seems to be a superhero origin story, but then it's subverted and he starts having severe anger issues and has to be (metaphorically) put down.
It starts working better from the Bridge onwards, especially after he transitions into becoming Deathlok.
edited 20th Jan '16 2:48:22 PM by Hodor2
I was thinking of Mike recently because of the similar basis by totally different execution and outcome of the new Falcon in the comics.
You have a minority character subjected to experimentation by nefarious people... and he uses his powers as a superhero.
Or also consider Luke Cage (who people initially thought Mike would turn out to be). It initially feels like a subversion of Cage's storyline in having it so that instead of becoming a hero, he becomes an unstable Angry Black Man.
Edit- I know it wasn't the intent, but it's like because the pilot is a subverted super-hero origin story (with Raina pretending to be a damsel in distress), it essentially mocks the audience for expecting/wanting Mike to become a superhero.
edited 20th Jan '16 2:54:50 PM by Hodor2
Seriously, what?
@Adric- Well, about that, maybe they will adapt the invisibility. My theory at the moment is that he will be the MCU version of Shroud
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@blackraptor- You know, it's been a while since I've heard anything of that movement- I was kind of using it as a catch all for "anti-capitalist activist types that include hackers/"hactivists", which I "think" was true of them. Maybe it's more accurate to compare them to Wikileaks- do the two overlap?
But in any case, it seemed like the show was taking (then) contemporary conversations about racial and economic inequality and doing a Reactionary Fantasy take on them.
edited 20th Jan '16 3:16:22 PM by Hodor2
Why would you think that? By the way, both Joss and Jed's politics have always seemed pretty liberal - Joss even did an anti-Mitt Romney video back in 2008.
And yeah, I am a bit worried about the fact that Wilkes is the third black guy to have superscience done on him against his will. And the fact that he might be invisible now.
edited 20th Jan '16 4:21:53 PM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
