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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#49776: Jan 20th 2016 at 7:30:54 AM

Well, I'd rather they kill her than one or both of the black guys (I know that sounds terrible).

Or to put it a better way: if they kill Cap, even if temporarily, I'd expect Sam to take on the mantle, and he's a great character. I don't feel too attached to Wanda.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49777: Jan 20th 2016 at 7:33:27 AM

Either way, at least the death won't be treated as an after thought like the one in the Civil War comic.

edited 20th Jan '16 7:34:16 AM by VeryMelon

Whowho Since: May, 2012
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#49779: Jan 20th 2016 at 8:03:00 AM

Well, if any of the Avengers dies in the upcoming movies, I still want it to be war machine. I really don't see much story-telling potential in his character (someone mentioned once that he is more interesting in the comics, but in the movies, he is a bore), but his death would be exactly the push which would cause Civil War to escalate. If Tony's best friend dies because Cap was adamant to protect Bucky, well, is there a better idea to make the whole thing dramatic? And I would actually not put it past marvel that the scene we already saw in the trailer actually is his death scene - but nobody will expect that it is. What better way to keep a secret than putting it directly in front of us?

Either way, I still think that Civil war won't be solved until Infinity war I. Everything else would be a waste.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#49780: Jan 20th 2016 at 8:08:08 AM

wow, so i'm sure this is hella old but i had no idea we actually had a snippet of the black panther costume.

it's a shame the film is only coming out in 2018, outside of doctor strange (which i'm currently unsure about) this is probably the marvel film i'm most looking forward to outside of civil war ):

edited 20th Jan '16 8:13:19 AM by wehrmacht

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49781: Jan 20th 2016 at 8:09:41 AM

Rhodey being stuffed into a fridge would be a deal breaker for me, you don't throw away an actor of that caliber to make a character (who is already defined by their guilt) feel guilty.

The premise of Civil War has enough emotional stakes in it that you don't need to killing characters; there's already enough drama.

On the list of Avengers I would be okay with dying in phase three, Rhodey is not on it.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49783: Jan 20th 2016 at 8:26:38 AM

Here is my list of Avengers whom I'm okay with dying: nobody, none, nuh uh, zero.

I'm sorry, but do we really need someone to die in order to make the conflict worse?

MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#49784: Jan 20th 2016 at 8:57:03 AM

[up]Thank you! I knew I wasn't the only one sick and tired of characters being killed off to artificially raise stakes.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#49785: Jan 20th 2016 at 8:58:14 AM

I feel the same way. Killing Quicksilver was stupid enough. We don't need anyone else dying.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#49786: Jan 20th 2016 at 8:59:20 AM

Exactly! No Avenger needs to die! None.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49787: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:04:13 AM

The Russos talk about why Spider-Man has been excluded from the marketing.

Part of the reasons of what was so secretive was that the deals were always lagging slightly behind how we were using the character" said Russo as transcribed by IGN. "We were always in danger of upsetting the deal — there were still sensitive issues going on between the two studios that they needed to agree on. When we were casting Tom Holland, when we were screen-testing him for the movie there was a whole very involved kind of process that was under the radar and secretive, because of the fact that it was still a sensitive business issue...The reason why I preface that is we’re still kind of in 'deal zone.' The reason why we still won’t talk about [the costume] is that Marvel and Sony still have to work out what uses they have for the character, on a promotional level, on a commercial level. There’s still complications as far as that goes that involves business deals."

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49789: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:15:29 AM

I just figured it was because he was barely in the movie and they didn't want people latching onto him.

edited 20th Jan '16 9:15:39 AM by KnownUnknown

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#49790: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:17:27 AM

He shouldn't even be in the movie in the first place, IMO.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49791: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:19:56 AM

I'd say War Machine has a chance of actually dying but that's partly because he's also rumored to die in the Civil War 2 comic event and Marvel likes keeping the movies and comics close.

Cap has an equal chance.

The vision is invincible due to having to face Thanos before his death.

edited 20th Jan '16 9:28:14 AM by LordofLore

yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49793: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:22:52 AM

He has the least chance of dying. Why? Because they have him hurt and unconscious in the trailer. If he were the big death of the movie they wouldn't be spoiling that 6 months before the movie is actually out.

This is a repeat of everyone saying Black Widow was gonna die in Age of Ultron because of clues in the trailer.

edited 20th Jan '16 9:23:26 AM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49794: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:25:37 AM

I'm still not sure I'm happy that Spider-Man is in the MCU. It just seems to be he's eating up the potential plots for Kamala Khan.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#49795: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:26:27 AM

[up][up]That would be clever though, because nobody would expect it.

edited 20th Jan '16 9:26:36 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49796: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:29:50 AM

Not really, because as far as I can tell, everyone seems to have already taken the bait. I saw a bunch of news sites saying "Did the trailer really just spoil the big death of the movie?!" and people talking about how it's bullshit to kill him off.

If someone dies in this movie they aren't gonna be putting their death scene in the trailer.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49797: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:30:10 AM

Did anyone really think Black Widow was going to die in Age of Ultron?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49798: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:31:16 AM

Not here no. A bunch of people thought Hawkeye or Quicksilver would die due to them not getting the same focus in promotional material(interviews etc) as the others.

edited 20th Jan '16 9:33:14 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49799: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:31:51 AM

[up][up]YUP. You would not believe how many comments I saw (both from haters and fans) talking about it. The trailer showed that out of context flashback where she's tied up and looking scared while medical equipment is in the background and everyone was like "Ultron is gonna torture Widow to death!"

edited 20th Jan '16 9:32:07 AM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#49800: Jan 20th 2016 at 9:41:31 AM

I agree that killing characters off for the sake of drama (Stuffed in the Fridge) rather than because of closure of personal arcs, or because they were set up as a Sacrificial Lamb from the getgo, is a lazy form of writing, regardless of who it happens to.


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