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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#49751: Jan 19th 2016 at 8:18:30 PM

....it begins.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#49752: Jan 19th 2016 at 8:18:35 PM

Oy. Spoilers.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#49753: Jan 19th 2016 at 8:19:11 PM

I mean, he is apparently going to be a series regular, so he's probably not dead? But this kinda shock-death cliffhanger bullshit fits nicely into a grand Marvel TV tradition of gratuitously awful things happening to black dudes.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#49755: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:03:24 PM

So with DC/WB just unveiling a whole bunch of impressive looks at their upcoming films, with many of them seeming to take different directions for the superhero genre, do you think Marvel will be outclassed, especially since DC/WB gives more freedom to the directors, rather than it being studio driven?

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#49756: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:13:09 PM

I'm not sure which of these discussions I want to be in less, so I'm gonna bounce.

Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau Project
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#49757: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:16:35 PM

[up][up] That's a bit of a leading question, isn't it?

I'm not particularly interested in DC at the moment, so I couldn't tell you.

Oh God! Natural light!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#49758: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:17:53 PM

[up][up][up]Every thread I see you post in, it's to doomsay whatever the thread's subject is.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#49760: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:25:05 PM

Well, as for Agent Carter, here's a hint about that plot point.

And as for that other thing... well, Marvel will have a riposte pretty soon, I'm sure.

I really have to remember how to bounce.

edited 19th Jan '16 11:27:43 PM by edvedd

Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau Project
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49761: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:31:47 PM

Wackd: I do believe your exaggerating right now, especially since we pretty much know for sure he isn't dead, since 1) Whitney Frost is alive and she was right next to him and 2) he's a series regular. Saying that they "killed another black dude" is just disingenuous. I mean, you might as well say that same thing when they blew up Luke Cage.

edited 19th Jan '16 11:32:08 PM by alliterator

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#49762: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:32:44 PM

By my count that makes him the fifth black guy in a Marvel show to get a fakeout death for shock value, following Deathlok, Tripp, Mac, and Luke.

I mean. Excepting Simmons' eaten-by-monolith cliffhanger at the end of SHIELD season two, I honestly can't remember this trope happening to anyone else.

edited 19th Jan '16 11:34:13 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49763: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:34:15 PM

But Trip wasn't a fakeout death, his was a real death. So that doesn't count. And what about Bobbi? Was that not a fakeout enough for you?

edited 19th Jan '16 11:36:18 PM by alliterator

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#49764: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:36:19 PM

Tripp got a fakeout death earlier in SHIELD, and is, according to my chart, the only black dude on Marvel TV to get both a real AND fakeout death.

Also, yeah, okay, forgot Mockingbird. Still, though, six of Marvel TV's ten black dude characters—forgot about Andrew—have had fakeout deaths now. Compared to, like, two white women. And two more of those ten have actually died, plus Tripp.

edited 19th Jan '16 11:39:34 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#49765: Jan 20th 2016 at 1:34:06 AM

So, um...why do you think this keeps happening?

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#49766: Jan 20th 2016 at 1:35:51 AM

Because, and this might be the craziest idea ever suggested in regards to deaths...But they just feel like killing off whoever they want for the plots they have?

Holy shit it might be too much to think about.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#49767: Jan 20th 2016 at 1:36:57 AM

Well, okay, but I do think Wack'd has a point in that there's definite a noticeable trend of it happening with black men.

Oh God! Natural light!
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#49768: Jan 20th 2016 at 1:49:31 AM

I repeat my previous post, this time with a "black man" put in there somewhere.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49769: Jan 20th 2016 at 1:52:24 AM

Tripp got a fakeout death earlier in SHIELD, and is, according to my chart, the only black dude on Marvel TV to get both a real AND fakeout death.
Okay, no, he did not have a fakeout death. He was shot, but recovered fine by the end of the episode. A fakeout death is when the episode ends with the audience not knowing if the person is alive or dead, not "they were in danger of dying, but now they are okay." Trip had a real death and that was it.

I mean, if we are counting any moment where a person almost dies, then you have to add in Simmons when she jumped out of a plane and Skye when she was shot twice and Fitz when he almost drowned. Hell, Fitz fits better with a fakeout death, since the audience was left in the dark if he is okay or not.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49770: Jan 20th 2016 at 3:19:10 AM

Thor 3 rumor about Odin. Sounds meh but I still don't think Hopkins will return to the role.

Cap 3 rumor about deaths. If true, wtf Marvel? I can't see them killing one of their few female heroes to motivate a male one. Not even Marvel are that stupid.

edited 20th Jan '16 7:09:37 AM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#49771: Jan 20th 2016 at 3:24:06 AM

The number of Black Characters who almost die just shows how many of them actually are in those shows. It is hard to complain about what is happening to them when it happens to all characters. The first near death was Coulson, when the bridge exploded - and that is overlooking Simmons dive out of the plane. Honestly, I am tired of this. Those are shows about agents. Agents suffer. They die. It happens.

Rvdz Don't mock the shocker from in a bar, under the sea Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Don't mock the shocker
#49772: Jan 20th 2016 at 3:24:34 AM

Well given that Ragnarok is coming from the director of What We Do in the Shadows, I wouldn't be surprised if silliness like that actually happened. And it sounds pretty funny to me.

Sing the song of sixpence that goes burn the witch, we know where you live
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#49773: Jan 20th 2016 at 6:02:53 AM

[up] I'd be down for it. Sounds like it might actually do something unique with the character.

I'll be taking the Scarlet Witch thing with a grain of salt, though. Seems like a waste to me. And didn't they say they had an arc planned or something?

Oh God! Natural light!
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#49774: Jan 20th 2016 at 6:47:04 AM

[up][up][up] Heck, a big plot point in Season 1 of Agents of SHIELD was why/how Coulson's apparent "death" in the first Avengers movie was a fakeout.

I think they'll establish Wilkes surviving the zero matter explosion within the next episode or two. Honestly I would barely consider it a fakeout since they establish Frost surviving and she was there too.

On another note, they did make it a point to show Carter getting exposed to the zero matter explosion, if much less directly. So I wonder if she might of been affected by it.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49775: Jan 20th 2016 at 7:06:10 AM

There's about as much chance of Wanda dying as there is of me becoming pope. Does anyone think after all the bullshit they've taken for the lack of diversity in their films and the fact that they're just now course correcting, that they're gonna immediately go and kill the only other girl on the Avengers?

That'd be a PR nightmare.

edited 20th Jan '16 7:06:34 AM by comicwriter


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