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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#49726: Jan 19th 2016 at 3:31:20 PM

my main problem with killian is that i just find him petulant and pathetic. part of that might be due to the actor, who was trying his best but didn't necessarily come out right, idk.

you might argue that him being petulant was the point, but i didn't think it added anything or made him a more interesting character.

edited 19th Jan '16 3:41:17 PM by wehrmacht

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#49727: Jan 19th 2016 at 3:36:44 PM

Kilgrave was petulant????

EDIT: Those complaints sound awfully like the ones people have about Kylo Ren.

edited 19th Jan '16 3:37:37 PM by higherbrainpattern

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#49728: Jan 19th 2016 at 3:40:20 PM

aldritch killian from iron man 3, not killgrave. haven't seen jessica jones yet.

(i have still yet to watch force awakens, so i reserve my opinion on kylo ren until i have.)

to be completely honest i'm not sure that i would able to articulate exactly why i didn't care for killian unless i watched iron man 3 again. the way he acts is probably just part of it.

edited 19th Jan '16 3:41:06 PM by wehrmacht

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#49729: Jan 19th 2016 at 3:42:15 PM

I didn't care for him because he was bland, boring, and his whole reason to get back at Tony Stark is because "oh no, you wuz mean to me". Like seriously, it's like the high school nerd getting revenge on a bully by taking over the world and putting that bully's loved ones in a concentration camp. It's pathetic, petty, and over-the-top.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#49730: Jan 19th 2016 at 3:49:52 PM

my main problem with killian is that i just find him petulant and pathetic. part of that might be due to the actor, who was trying his best but didn't necessarily come out right, idk.

Going off what Tobias said about villains needing to really believe in their own righteousness, it might be why the fake Mandarin was initially received well but not Killian was the conviction in their causes. Prior to The Reveal, the Mandarin seemed fueled by fury, someone who hated being caught in the crossfire of America's debacle in the Middle East. Audiences could really believe someone from that could become a terrorist (after all, we've seen it happen.) But Killian's motivation coming off as "my favorite celebrity snubbed me" was much less believable for a terrorist, even though the movie tried to make it more complicated than that.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#49731: Jan 19th 2016 at 3:55:49 PM

Also when it boiled down to it, in addition to being bland and boring Killian's scheme was basically just a more complex, biologically-oriented version of Obadiah Stane's. Engineer terror threats to sell weapons. It was a scheme we'd seen already, but without the emotional attachment or the charismatic character to give it the same impact as the first movie.

Obadiah Stane may have been an obvious villain to us, but it wasn't obvious to Tony, and being backstabbed by a guy he grew up around made it at least feel painful from that perspective.

edited 19th Jan '16 3:57:25 PM by Khfan429

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#49732: Jan 19th 2016 at 3:57:33 PM

in retrospect i'd have to agree with adricdepsycho and khfan's assessments of why i found him underwhelming.

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#49733: Jan 19th 2016 at 3:58:59 PM

YAY, SOMEONE TOOK ME SERIOUSLY

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49734: Jan 19th 2016 at 4:08:33 PM

in retrospect i'd have to agree with adricdepsycho and khfan's assessments of why i found him underwhelming.

Same here.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#49735: Jan 19th 2016 at 4:15:11 PM

ANOTHER PERSON TOOK ME SERIOUSLY

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#49736: Jan 19th 2016 at 5:02:59 PM

Anybody watching the Captain America special on now?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#49737: Jan 19th 2016 at 5:03:46 PM

Yep. Jack Kirby is awesome.

edited 19th Jan '16 5:03:58 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#49738: Jan 19th 2016 at 5:03:59 PM

It comes on for me in three hours. And then Agent Carter Season Dos.

Nice Hayley interview. Kid Tony and powered Peggy someday?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#49739: Jan 19th 2016 at 5:15:36 PM

OK, I'm only paying half-attention to this, but I'm pretty sure Peggy Carter wasn't that important in the comics.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49740: Jan 19th 2016 at 5:16:49 PM

She really wasn't. Sharon's the important one.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49741: Jan 19th 2016 at 5:21:33 PM

[up][up]Let's say it like this: When Marvel wants to promote things they usually have sales on the digital comic store on dozen of books with the character/team(DC does the same but usually with way more books and issues). These are the only books in the current Peggy sale.

Sharon is the really important Carter.

edited 19th Jan '16 5:31:54 PM by LordofLore

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#49742: Jan 19th 2016 at 5:49:53 PM

Hayley Atwell sort of made Peggy Carter her thing, so I can see why the films are into her.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49743: Jan 19th 2016 at 5:53:14 PM

I do love what a massive break out character Peggy has become.

As always it's fun to think the seasons of her show could have time skips so we can see things like a toddler Tony Stark, a young Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne, Zola becoming an AI. Heck you could even do an Ultron story if you have Hank work on perfecting the uploading the brain thing for Zola. A Wakanda story with the then current Black Panther. Heck the true Mandarin is meant to be immortal. There's a lot you can do with the MCU in the past century.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49744: Jan 19th 2016 at 5:59:13 PM

They've now created an interesting problem where they're gonna have to try very hard to get people to accept Sharon in the movies.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49745: Jan 19th 2016 at 6:01:03 PM

Hopefully they won't have her shoot Steve like when he was going on trial in the comics.

edited 19th Jan '16 6:35:17 PM by LordofLore

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49746: Jan 19th 2016 at 6:01:17 PM

I'm not sure they're going to try. She seems to have such a minor role in Civil War.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49748: Jan 19th 2016 at 8:14:02 PM

[up]Boo.smile

edited 20th Jan '16 3:18:45 AM by LordofLore

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#49749: Jan 19th 2016 at 8:15:26 PM

Just watched the new Agent Carter.

I am super impressed that Jessica Jones not only had three black characters, but actually managed to keep two of them alive through an entire season.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#49750: Jan 19th 2016 at 8:16:49 PM

[up] I.....does this really mean what I think this means?

Are you fucking kidding me, Marvel?

You killed your one lone black guy in Agent Carter already?!


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