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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I really don't get how the "smaller people" line makes Ultron less intimidating. It's not about him being dim-witted, it's about how distant he is from humanity. How unimportant certain basic principles that we hold sacred are to him. He forgets the word for children because he doesn't care about the distinction between individual people; they're all the same to him.
There's a similar line in Rick And Morty describing the titular super-genius Rick. To demonstrate how amoral the character is during an argument, his son-in-law Jerry points out, "I once saw him briefly forget the word for HUMAN!" The point is the character's apathy for other living things, not that he's stupid.
edited 19th Jan '16 7:24:43 AM by TobiasDrake
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Inclined to agree. Still, I liked him a lot.
I suppose sometimes it's a necessary evil. When you have a limited runtime, you have to make sacrifices, and in the final analysis, the hero is the more important character.
edited 19th Jan '16 7:32:20 AM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!Ah, good. I can see it over spring break. Which, conveniently, is where my birthday falls this year.
Oh God! Natural light!- ZOLA WITH HIS BRAIN IN THOUSANDS OF 70S REEL-TO-REEL COMPUTERS
- Kilgrave
- Mandarin(s)
- Wilson Fisk
- Alexander Pierce
- Grant Ward
- Dottie Underwood
- Ultron
- Loki
- and the rest
edited 19th Jan '16 10:28:54 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Thanos sir not appearing on this list until he stops being sir cameo?
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI can see it that way, but I say the reason why the line doesn't work for me is not just the words itself but also the delivery. Right when Ultron remembers what the correct word is, he makes this ridiculous "DUH" expression that serves to humanize him rather than make him seem more alien. Up until then Ultron had been terrifying to me, but as soon as he made that "Muppet" face all my fear just drained out. There are perhaps ways to make the idea intimidating that he doesn't get the difference between adults and children. Maybe Pietro is the one to correct his wording and Ultron impassively replies "Is there a difference?" Or maybe he says there's no difference right as he's approaching a small child with skull-crushing on the mind and the others trying to stop him.
And the line doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are other instances of Ultron coming off as less of a threat that this scene only magnifies. But alone it's just one example that anyone can have their own opinion on.
edited 19th Jan '16 10:38:07 AM by Tuckerscreator
well, grant ward is quite a villian, since he manage to what other villian have fail a this point: make the audicen HATE HIM.
I meant, so far the reaction range from "Meh" to "Reall Y?" to "Goddamn he is so cute, of course he is right!" with Ward every reaction is just some sort of "I WANT HIS HEAD ON A PLATE!" the hate is strong with him, that is quite impresive in his own way.
Edit: My favorite part of Zola is when he correct Cap "Im sweedish, not german" that so lol for me.
edited 19th Jan '16 10:46:29 AM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Sure thing. Here's my personal list.
The Purple Man = The Kingpin > Ultron > Alexander Pierce > Iron Monger > The Red Skull > Werner Reinhardt > Yellowjacket > The Clairvoyant > The Abomination > Ronan the Accuser > Aldrich Killian > Loki > Whiplash > Malekith the Accursed.
edited 19th Jan '16 10:48:16 AM by VeryMelon
I kept my list to Big Bads for brevity sake. I don't really feel like going over every antagonist in the MCU.
I Stick to the top ten:
1. Loki
2. Hydra (Yes, I know that it is not one person, but Alexander Pierce would be my number 2 anyway. Thrown in all the other interesting Hydra villains, from Red Scull over Zola to Garret, Ward and Whitehall, Hydra has easily the most impressive rogues gallery. Marvel really doesn't get enough credit for putting together such a compelling constant threat).
3. Killgrave (If the question were the most terrifying villain, he would be my number one).
4. Dottie Underwood (Another one who gets unfairly overlooked all the time! I hesitate, though, to say Leviathan in general, because I am not sure if it sticks around for future Agent Carter episodes)
5. Ronan (I don't care what others say, he is the perfect villain for that movie, and I enjoy every second he is on screen)
6. Jiaying
7. Wilson Fisks (he would be higher if not for the fact that Wesley often comes off as more threatening and smarter than him).
8. Ultron (mostly because I love this last scene between him and Vision)
9. Obediah Stane (he would be higher if he were less obviously evil at the start of the movie and less impulsive at the end of it)
10. Darren Cross (not the most memorable of villains, but definitely one of the creepiest)
I leave Nuke, Nebula and Thanos off the list for now because I first need to see how their story develops, before making a final judgement...and The Other is more a henchmen than a villain.
Best Antagonists:
1. The Winter Soldier
2. Yondu
3. Stick
4. General Talbot (yeah, I enjoy him even more than General Ross)
5. Hal/Mr. Hyde (I hesitate to put him on the villain list)
6. General Ross
7. Trish's mother
8. Denarian Sal
9. Justin Hammer (would be higher because Sam Rockwell is really enjoyable, but man, the overall quality of the movie and his incompetence just drags the character down)
10. Gonzales (Who came very close to a dishonourable mention....)
Dishonorable mention: Robyn (This character just annoyed me, which, yes, was kind of the intention, but I will be glad if I don't get to see her, ever)
edited 19th Jan '16 10:57:44 AM by Swanpride
I'm terrible at listing, but Kilgrave definitely gets my vote for best MCU villain.
I also would rank the Mandarin and Alexander Pierce pretty highly.
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But I enjoy his fight with Kal-El because he dictated the term of the fight(either you die...) and carry out until the(reallY) bitter end.
Maybe is just me but I think a villian is important part of any superhero movie and that Marvel have relegated them to a walking pushing bag, which is why I enjoy more DC right now.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"