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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
It's not about people not liking things I like, it's that the reasons are always the dang same and it's frustrating that "scariness" is literally the only metric some folks are willing to evaluate villains on.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.![]()
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For me looks like a child trying to said his not like his parent, which take away the threating feeling for me.
Also, Ultron feel dangerous and all but....that it, escape in wakanda, leaving twins the dirty job, lost is fight with Cap and his new body with it and in the climax he is reduced to throw mooks to the avenger.
And of course the "In retrospective" scene was just....stupid
Better?
edited 18th Jan '16 7:16:56 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I dont mind his personality but his weight in the movie overall, for example take the joker in dark knight: he own the whole movie from begining to end(Maybe a little too I may said).
Loki in first avengers is also in control while at the same time taking a few hits here and there, is final scene feels a little bit silly but he didnt disapoint.
Ultron....is just there, being vaguely creepy and childish but it dosent feel threating enought, the climax in sokovia is pretty much an Avenger show off
edited 18th Jan '16 7:21:48 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"It's been a few years since I first saw the Avengers, but i'd honestly hesitate to call Loki a particularly good villain in that movie, if only because I felt that the only reasons I cared about him (his relative complexity in relation to the other marvel villains) didn't seem to be present or come up at all, so I cared about him as much as I did everyone else in that film (not much at all).
I hope they do confirm that Hank was the one who started the Ultron project Tony 'dug up'.
I said something like that last year.
Consider hank reaction to the whole thing, it seen unlikey he have anything to do with the project.
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well, he manage to turn the avenger against each other, extract himself from the helicarrier, Kill coulson and take the tesseract while giving a heavy blow to their moral, for a villian that is a pretty good job.
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Same here. My first introduction to Loki was in Avengers, and there I just found his personality so obnoxiously over-the-top Card-Carrying Villain that he was actively annoying to me. I couldn't understand the big fuss over him or all the people defending until I went back and saw the first Thor where he was a much more likable figure, but having that knowledge when rewatching Avengers didn't do anything to rescue him from the scrappy heap for that film, since none of the traits that made him bearable showed up.
edited 18th Jan '16 7:45:30 PM by AlleyOop
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killing coulson would be more impactful if i remembered who he was.
when the movie made a big deal about it i was wondering who he was, and why i was supposed to care that he was dead.
i'm not necessarily making the argument that he was incompetent or not a credible threat, i'm just saying that wasn't enough to make him a compelling villain in that movie.
edited 18th Jan '16 7:54:42 PM by wehrmacht
I think the key for me whether a villain showing emotional vulnerabilities is empowering or diminishing if they're established as a threat first. For instance, with the Joker in The Dark Knight, seeing him scamper in panic when his hospital bombing doesn't quite go as planned was amusing without making him seem lame because he'd already been shown to do some terrifying feats. Seeing Loki in The Avengers get beaten by a ragdoll by the Hulk came after a whole film where he'd nearly sunk the Helicarrier, killed Coulson, and held his own against other superheroes. Discovering Kylo Ren's true nature worked for me because he'd been dangerous enough up 'til then to defeat both Poe and Rey through Force power alone. By contrast, Ultron being shown as not too sharp a knife comes in the first scene with his true body ("smaller people?") and after that his mooks appear less threatening that even the Chitauri horde. That's what it boils down to me.
edited 18th Jan '16 7:53:22 PM by Tuckerscreator
Ultron really is an immature, murderous brat in the comics.
There's even a point where an Ultron 'matures' and decides this feud with Hank is really dumb and counterproductive and tries to make up with him.
Boy, I miss Mark the Ultron.
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Well, that is diferent thing, so far I found Loki and Hydra in winter soldier the only competent villians who feel they are giving trouble to the heroes, everyone else is ether lacking(killian,Vanko) or too generic(Malekith,Darren), Ultron have the personality but lack the deeds necesary of a villian.
edited 18th Jan '16 7:55:04 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"while i stand by what i said, i do have to confess that i might not be the most "impartial"(if there is such a thing) person when it comes to the first avengers movie. i was honestly ready to give up on the mcu by iron man 3 because the only marvel films i had genuinely enjoyed up until that point were iron man 1 and captain america. if it wasn't for how much I liked winter soldier and to a lesser extent guardians of the galaxy, i probably wouldn't care about any marvel films at all right now.
i've considered rewatching it to see if i like it any better, but have just not gotten around to it yet.
edited 18th Jan '16 7:59:56 PM by wehrmacht
Yeah Zodd was great in Mo S. A better villain than anyone in the Marvel-verse. And I say this as a person that prefers Marvel.

Yup. People are allowed to not like the thing you like.
edited 18th Jan '16 7:08:15 PM by comicwriter