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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49626: Jan 18th 2016 at 3:30:45 PM

[up][up][up] No, but it would've given that story closure. In the final film, the twins have a backstory that largely goes unfollowed up on.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49627: Jan 18th 2016 at 3:32:14 PM

[up][up]It is just funny to see the match-ups because everything else reads like some intensely personal match-up and then it's "And Falcon vs. War Machine I guess."

edited 18th Jan '16 3:32:34 PM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#49628: Jan 18th 2016 at 3:45:27 PM

We don't know what T'Challa's beef with Bucky is yet right?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49629: Jan 18th 2016 at 3:47:37 PM

Correct. He's hunting him but we don't know why.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#49630: Jan 18th 2016 at 4:29:30 PM

He wants his cool metal arm.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#49631: Jan 18th 2016 at 5:00:03 PM

In the final film, the twins have a backstory that largely goes unfollowed up on.

A lot of Age of Ultron was like that, unfortunately. Not many of the set up subplots really got followed up on. The main one that did was the Hulk-Black Widow one, which was not many people's favorite arc.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#49632: Jan 18th 2016 at 5:14:47 PM

I'd just like to remind everyone that Avengers 2 actually managed to break Joss Whedon.

I'd say a LOT of mistakes were made.

Honestly, the Twins probably needed their own solo film. I'd still take one, all things considered.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#49633: Jan 18th 2016 at 5:30:50 PM

Was the film Joss's fault, or Marvel's fault? I've heard mixed opinions.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49634: Jan 18th 2016 at 5:36:32 PM

At one point Marvel made him choose between a very personal scene with Thor or the entire farm sequence.

There was problems from both director and company.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#49635: Jan 18th 2016 at 5:38:18 PM

Then whose idea was it for the deleted scene of the Vision fighting Thor?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#49636: Jan 18th 2016 at 5:40:20 PM

Was the film Joss's fault, or Marvel's fault? I've heard mixed opinions.

Both, I say. It's easy to blame all the fault of the film on Executive Meddling and there are big problems with what was cut, but there's other stuff that appears to be all Whedon's writing that wasn't received so well, like Ultron's portrayal as immature and confused about his goal, or again Widow and Bruce Banner.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#49637: Jan 18th 2016 at 5:40:57 PM

Didn't Joss help to plan out Phase 2 or something?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49638: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:16:09 PM

It seems like a large mix of both. For one, Whedon's stated goal of making a smaller, more personal film with a shorter runtime seems completely at odds with his decision to add three new Avengers to the team.

At the same time, a lot of the stuff people complained about regarding the overstuffed, disjointed nature of the story definitely seemed like Marvel overloading the film with Sequel Hooks.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#49639: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:25:15 PM

Sorry for not following out this conversation, I was sleep, but anyway:

By biggest complain about Wanda is not that she hate tony stark, but that she dosent see ANY problem with aalling herself with HIS creation and biggest weapon to date, the same weapon who pretty much acts, behave and talks like him.

Also I dont buy the whole "she think hulk would lie down" because the avenger are pretty well know a this point, in fact for what I saw, t was pretty clear Ultron planned the ambush and relie in Wanda unleashing Hulk to kept Stark busy.

And more important...I dont feel Wanda joining the avengers is about atonement at all,it fell more like a typical promotion from vllian to hero: with all her past deed forgiven and just moving on.

I just find her very unlikable at the end.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49640: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:33:55 PM

My criticism of age of ultron would be that the pacing is too intense. Everything in it works, I feel, it just comes at you in so fast. On second viewing I found it to be a much stronger film which cohesive and engaging thematic arguments.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49641: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:41:44 PM

I don't like Age of Ultron as much as I did when I first viewed it, but I don't think it's a bad film.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49642: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:43:11 PM

I have to say, I think there was nothing at all wrong with Ultron's portrayal in the film. Comparing him to the comics portrayal, showing him as "immature" was actually a really good idea (the comics version has this weird Oedipal complex with his creator, Hank Pym, and Hank's wife Janet).

edited 18th Jan '16 6:43:41 PM by alliterator

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49643: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:46:26 PM

Yeah I have to agree that it's a really smart take on the character.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49644: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:46:45 PM

The oedipal complex Ultron has is my favorite thing about him, so I was disappointed that didn't make the film cut.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49645: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:50:56 PM

Well, Ultron is yet to share a scene with Hank Pym in the MCU, so there's still room for that.

Also, watching Age of Ultron and ANT MAN, it is startling how alike in character Hank and Ultron are, I guess that's not intentional, but dang, I can't help but think Ultron resembles Hank more than Tony in the MCU.

I hope they do confirm that Hank was the one who started the Ultron project Tony 'dug up'.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#49646: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:52:40 PM

While I understand ultron "inmature" take on him(otherwise it would be just marvel-skynet) I feel it make him waaaaay less threating, it was the twins who smack around the avengers in wakanda,then he lost his body after they deflect from his side and the climax is pretty much "throw mooks at them until they stop" making him look like a joke.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#49647: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:54:46 PM

Rrrrrrgggg. I'm already frustrated with folks having dumb opinions on Kylo Ren, do we really gotta do the "this villain has emotions and vulnerabilities therefore I'm not scared of them therefore they're bad" thing again?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49648: Jan 18th 2016 at 6:59:10 PM

He does have moments of being genuinely threatening I feel. His enterance and interaction with Klaw gave me chills. He was just unpredictable enough that I found myself on the edge of my seat.

Actually, yeah, that's a point, where ever he's talking to people outside of combat, its suitably intimidating, like at the party or when he has Natasha, but when ever there is a fight about to go down he's not nearly as intimidating.

Edit [up] that's it, Ultron is effective to me in much the same way Kylo was, his emotional instability made him unpredictable and intimidating.

edited 18th Jan '16 7:01:02 PM by Whowho

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#49649: Jan 18th 2016 at 7:03:11 PM

[up]when he is taking to Klaw yeah..until he mention tony stark, them he act like a child with a tantrum or when he kiddnap Natasha to monologe in front of her(on of the most pointless element in the movie actually) and again the climax when he is...what, 3 scenes at best?

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49650: Jan 18th 2016 at 7:05:42 PM

Seeing the eightfoot tall robot unexpectedly cut a guy's arm off mid conversation was intimidating to me yes, his tantrums certainly added to the character I feel.


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