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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49501: Jan 17th 2016 at 1:27:39 PM

At one point he had low-level hypnotism because blood has iron.
Actually, back in the Silver Age, the helmet he wore had mind-control circuits.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49502: Jan 17th 2016 at 1:29:55 PM

I think it was Comic Book Resources who called him the most OP and nerfed mutant ever. I think he even got more nerfed in the new book.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#49503: Jan 17th 2016 at 1:31:12 PM

I've read an issue of Avengers where he mind controls Wanda (into doing sexy dances for him) by controlling the electromagnetism in her brain.

Mind control circuits sounds like a retcon

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49504: Jan 17th 2016 at 1:34:19 PM

I've read an issue of Avengers where he mind controls Wanda (into doing sexy dances for him)
Why would he do that to his own daughter?? (I know she isn't his daughter now, but she was back then, right?)

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#49505: Jan 17th 2016 at 1:36:43 PM

Not back then, no.

Its just funny in retrospect.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49506: Jan 17th 2016 at 1:40:45 PM

It's real.

edited 17th Jan '16 1:41:01 PM by LordofLore

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49508: Jan 17th 2016 at 2:00:52 PM

You know how Morrison's run on the X-Men got a bit disjointed and bad after Xorn is revealed as Magneto? Apparently that whole arc was different from Morrison's initial pitch to Marvel where Magneto could hold NY hostage all thanks to this power returning(can't remember if it got reawakened by the Sublime drug or just returned)which lets him order the whole population around, trick the X-Men and gives him the ability to order the humans to kill themselves if he's challenged by the Avengers or others(instead of saying "I've got bombs!"). Morrison is big on making things from old comics work so I could see it being true.

People guess that's part of why Jean embracing the Phoenix was such a big part of that arc since she could overpower Magneto's hold on the humans to save the day and makes Magneto's last ditch attack on her (which kills her with a massive stroke in the published story)make more sense since his control over minds and the brain is more prominent in that kind of story.

edited 17th Jan '16 2:09:40 PM by LordofLore

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49509: Jan 17th 2016 at 2:02:26 PM

The avengers are there looking so awkward. I can see Tony wanting to say 'Stop this Magneto, this is weird for all of us.'

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#49510: Jan 17th 2016 at 2:03:51 PM

The latter half of the Morrison run is a bit shit, psychic whales aside, yeah.

I figured it was due to him rushing through everything.

Interesting to hear what could have been. Not sure if it would have salvaged it for me

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49511: Jan 17th 2016 at 2:08:21 PM

It was a weird time. We've never been told by Marvel or Morrison what happened.

Everything later got retconned as being part of Scarlet Witch going crazy.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#49512: Jan 17th 2016 at 2:08:56 PM

BENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#49513: Jan 17th 2016 at 2:22:58 PM

Wait, is Marvel publishing so much more or are their comics that much more successful? This looks a little bit dim for DC....I thought Batman is so insane popular? (At least people who claim that Batman vs Superman will make Avengers numbers keep saying this).

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49514: Jan 17th 2016 at 2:29:25 PM

They just relaunched all their books(which is why there are a ton of #1's from them this year. If you notice most of their non #1 are way farther down apart from Spider-Man as usual), started with their/Disney's Star Wars comics(Star Wars and Darth Vader are some of the best selling comics this decade with huge promotion thanks to Disney and the movie) and had a huge event(which always sell well).

Not counting Star Wars, events/limited/minis or #1's the best sellers of the year from the big 2 are still the mainline Spider-Man and Batman books and probably Deadpool and Justice League.

edited 17th Jan '16 2:35:08 PM by LordofLore

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#49515: Jan 17th 2016 at 2:36:08 PM

Professor X looks like he's enjoying himself there.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49516: Jan 17th 2016 at 2:39:05 PM

[up]Here, have the second page of that story where Magneto explains everything while watching his not!daughter dance.

He seems to really like her ass, huh?

Edit: Since it got pretty much buried in the Magneto/JLA and Avengers crossover discussion, Stan Lee talked about a Avengers crossover with Star Wars. It's unlikely to happen, but still.

edited 17th Jan '16 2:50:17 PM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49517: Jan 17th 2016 at 3:35:15 PM

DC shed a ton of readers with their ill-fated new 52 initiative, and they've been struggling to win people back ever since. The only truly successful new franchise they've really manage to groom has been Harley Quinn.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49518: Jan 17th 2016 at 4:13:44 PM

I thought most their Nu52 lineup was just cancelled.

Halberdier17 We Are With You Zack Snyder from Western Pennsylvania Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
We Are With You Zack Snyder
#49519: Jan 17th 2016 at 4:19:40 PM

[up]They are still in the New 52 they just took it off the comics.

I thought Grayson was supposed to be successful.

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49521: Jan 17th 2016 at 5:30:52 PM

Of the original 52 comics that DC put out for the New 52, only 13 are still being published (Justice League, Action Comics, Batgirl, Detective Comics, Green Arrow, Deathstroke, Green Lantern, Batman, Catwoman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, Superman) and there are rumors that once they hit issue #52, they will all be relaunched at #1 (since DC saw how well that worked for Marvel).

But yeah, between Secret Wars and Star Wars, DC has been getting clobbered by Marvel in 2015.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#49522: Jan 17th 2016 at 6:03:18 PM

I can understand the value of a relaunch, but I always like seeing comics accumulate big numbers - good show of staying power, I think.

The 90's is what started all of these new # 1's , right?

Oh God! Natural light!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49523: Jan 17th 2016 at 6:09:36 PM

[up] Pretty much. It was in the early '90s that the companies started realizing how old #1 issues were selling for large amounts of money...so they printed off a bunch of new #1s, not realizing that this would actually reduce how much they were worth (it was the rarity, not the #1 on it that made them worth something). Or possibly they knew, but thought collectors wouldn't know and buy them anyway.

edited 17th Jan '16 6:10:01 PM by alliterator

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#49524: Jan 17th 2016 at 6:18:46 PM

The motivation is different these days though, although the desired end result is the same.

Renumber your books back to number 1 for a good jumping on point, usually offer a new status quo for that new run. Ideally this leads to more people reading.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#49525: Jan 17th 2016 at 6:30:01 PM

Hasn't DC restarted their universe multiple times in the last years? I would think that the fans a pretty sick of it by now.

Marvel has currently a good reason to do it. They apparently want to be more in line with the MCU while also diversifying the characters. And I can imagine that after all those years, a little bit of housekeeping is overdue. But DC? I am far from a comic book experts, but from an "outside looking in" perspective, they need to push characters which are NOT Batman for a change. The success with the CW shows might help in this regard.


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