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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#49451: Jan 16th 2016 at 7:46:12 PM

Hulk could hand-wield a ballista perhaps.

edited 16th Jan '16 7:51:42 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#49452: Jan 16th 2016 at 7:47:40 PM

So with the Hulk's horrifying draw length, if he had an appropriatly scaled bow and arrow he would be unstoppable.

This sort of reminds me of Dark Souls which actually had an archer giant. I thought it was a very creative, unusual idea that actually made a lot of sense, and i wouldn't mind seeing it being used more often.

...not sure if i ACTUALLY want hulkeye though.

edited 16th Jan '16 7:48:21 PM by wehrmacht

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#49454: Jan 16th 2016 at 7:51:22 PM

[up]Tony could probably whip him up a BFS.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
blauregen Since: Apr, 2013
#49455: Jan 16th 2016 at 7:51:59 PM

I always liked the idea of Detritus' Piecemaker on Discworld.

All I know is, my gut says maybe.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#49456: Jan 16th 2016 at 7:52:19 PM

[up][up]Then he'd basically be Dagahn from Xenoblade Chronicles X.

edited 16th Jan '16 7:52:25 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#49457: Jan 16th 2016 at 7:53:19 PM

[up]Hulk Slash!

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#49458: Jan 16th 2016 at 7:59:14 PM

Hawkeye accidentally making himself redundant by tutoring hulkeye is something I need.

Neeeeeeeeed.

Also, being able to shoot Hellicarriers out of the sky without getting off his porch would probably keep Thunderbolt Ross off his back.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#49459: Jan 16th 2016 at 9:25:32 PM

So, this Tues. ABC is showing a Captain America 75th Anniversary special... and it's making me so fucking nervous! I get that Captain America is very lucrative character for them and using an anniversary to draw attention to him, especially leading into a movie, is a perfectly normal thing for them to do. But my poor brain can't help but read it as a farewell; a warning that yep, Cap's gonna die in Civil War. And I'll be honest; I'm already leaning toward not seeing this movie. Steve dying? Would guarantee I don't.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#49460: Jan 16th 2016 at 9:27:50 PM

Well, it might also be to drum up publicity for Agent Carter since Season 2 premieres on Tuesday.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#49461: Jan 16th 2016 at 9:30:43 PM

They're not going to be so dumb to spoil the main character dying with a big anniversary special. That'd be like having Darth Vader be the center of a big Father's Day special before Empire Strikes Back came out. And he's not going to die in Civil War anyways, at least not permanently.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#49462: Jan 16th 2016 at 9:46:27 PM

If he does, I hope the Captain America title dies with him. Legacy Character's should only be used with characters created for the sole purpose of being a Legacy Character, and even then, only sparingly.

edited 16th Jan '16 9:47:20 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#49463: Jan 16th 2016 at 10:00:16 PM

[up] I disagree, I think that Bucky or Sam could take on the shield and do a good job with it.

Honestly, I'd prefer if Sam did, mostly because I like his current series and his costume.

Oh God! Natural light!
Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#49464: Jan 16th 2016 at 10:03:07 PM

Sign me up on the Captain Falcon train.

I'd rather not see Steve die, or give the shield to someone else, but if it had to be someone else, let it be Sam.

I mostly don't want to see it be Bucky for the same reason I'm only slightly concerned about his big role in Civil War: I don't care that much about him as a character, and after Winter Soldier where he spent the entire time being an obstacle rather than a person, I don't think he has what it takes, at least right now, to pick up the Captain America legacy.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49465: Jan 16th 2016 at 10:24:55 PM

Legacy Character's should only be used with characters created for the sole purpose of being a Legacy Character, and even then, only sparingly.
Characters are almost never created to become Legacy Characters though. No writer goes, "Well, I'm going to create this character, but only so I can later kill them off and pass the name to someone else." Not even Green Lantern or the Flash was like that and they are the two most famous legacy characters ever.

No, legacy characters are used to show that the name/character will not be forgotten, that their legacy will live on. And I don't think it should be used sparingly, because it's use has resulted in a lot of interesting and varied characters, including several failed versions of Captain America like William Burnside. It's also resulted in varied takes on the role of superheroes, like the current run of Sam Wilson: Captain America or the new Mighty Thor, which juxtaposes the godly Thor with the cancer-ridden Jane Foster.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#49466: Jan 16th 2016 at 10:24:59 PM

Maybe he will rebrand himself as Nomad while Falcon become the new cap?

Also, how Falcon could use the Shield with the wings? because there is not way they take his wings if he become the new capitan.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#49467: Jan 16th 2016 at 10:34:23 PM

I'd rather MCU Sam shine as himself rather than them rebranding him as the next Steve, but since that's what's happening in the comics it's probably going to be him if they decide not to do it with Bucky.

edited 16th Jan '16 10:36:37 PM by KnownUnknown

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#49468: Jan 16th 2016 at 10:36:00 PM

I just really want Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson to be the lead of one of the films. If that film is titled Falcon, that'd be great. if that film is titled Captain America: New Beginnings, that'd also be great.

edited 16th Jan '16 10:36:26 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#49469: Jan 16th 2016 at 10:59:42 PM

[up][up][up][up]Umm, nooo I wasn't saying that the only way should be to have a character created to HAVE a Legacy Character after them (which, by the way, is how Hal Jordan got his ring), what I was saying is that Legacy Characters should only be characters created to BE Legacy Characters, like Terry Mc Ginnis or Miles Morales. Characters who don't already have a superhero identity because the second a superhero takes over the title of another superhero after they die, you are saying "the superhero who just died is more important than the superhero taking their place was". The Falcon abandoning his superhero identity to take on Captain America says "Captain America is more important than The Falcon". Legacy Characters can work, but they need to be new characters, created solely to be Legacy Characters.

edited 16th Jan '16 11:03:17 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#49470: Jan 16th 2016 at 11:00:52 PM

Does it bug anyone else that the central premise of The Phantom is that the guy eventually dies and passes on the title to his kid, but we're this year celebrating the eightieth anniversary of the franchise and we're still on the same Phantom the comic premiered with?

edited 16th Jan '16 11:01:23 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#49471: Jan 16th 2016 at 11:07:28 PM

I take the opposite view that Legacy Characters are more interesting when they're a previous character taking up the mantle, since a completely new wielder coming in can feel like a Replacement Scrappy.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49472: Jan 16th 2016 at 11:09:21 PM

Umm, nooo I wasn't saying that the only way should be to have a character created to HAVE a Legacy Character after them (which, by the way, is how Hal Jordan got his ring), what I was saying is that Legacy Characters should only be characters created to BE Legacy Characters, like Terry McGinnis or Miles Morales.
Ah, I misunderstood. But, in any case, Hal Jordan wasn't the first Green Lantern - the first Green Lantern was Alan Scott, who got his power ring from the mystical Starheart. So Hal Jordan is a legacy character himself.

In any case, this short film really makes me want a Black Widow movie. And I also want Ashly Burch to be in it.

edited 16th Jan '16 11:09:38 PM by alliterator

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#49473: Jan 16th 2016 at 11:20:46 PM

[up]Ashly Burch was awesome in it but why would you build a one-sided bulletproof table?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#49474: Jan 17th 2016 at 12:28:18 AM

[up]In case you needed to use it as a sheild, of course.

[up][up]I meant him replacing Abin Sur.

[up][up][up]I'll take Replacement Scrappy over Unfortunate Implications any day, especially since Legacy Characters have a terrible habit of being replaced by their predecessor and Replacement Scrappys being replaced themselves tends to be seen as good while old characters being replaced from their new titles carries with it even more, different, Unfortunate Implications.

edited 17th Jan '16 12:29:37 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#49475: Jan 17th 2016 at 2:26:07 AM

Didn't the sales for the female Thor drop into the cellar after the first issue?

In any case, for the MCU, Legacy characters don't really make much sense because everyone knows who the Avengers are in reality.


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