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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I've really come around on the idea of a Black Widow movie. I've been a little skeptical in the past, but I think an early Phase 4 film would actually be a great slot for it.
The simple fact is after Infinity War, Marvel is going to have to yank back pretty hard on the MCU's serial escalation, as if they don't things will get really stupid. So a more subdued spy movie would be a great way to reset the tone.
I like the idea of having AIM be the antagonists, now under new leadership and reorganized into something a bit more in line with their comic-book counterparts. Since she's another Black Widow and is associated with AIM in the comics, Yelena Belova would be the ideal antagonist.
I don't know if MODOK himself would be a good fit for such a movie, but even if he's not they could always lay the groundwork for MODOK appearing in a later movie that he is a good fit for (like at the end of the movie we see the surviving AIM scientists working on "Project MODOK").
There is of course the concern that Black Widow doesn't have tangible superpowers, but I think even that is fixable. In the comics Black Widow was given a variant of the super-soldier serum, but not in the MCU. What if the MCU Red Room didn't start using the serum until after Natasha graduated? So she doesn't have it but the younger Yelena Belova does.
Then during the course of the movie, Natasha gets her hands on a dose of the serum and uses it to defeat Yelena Belova.
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Yeah, that was exactly my thought, too. After Infinity war, it is time to go smaller again so that the MCU can built up to the next big event. And a Black Widow movie would make sense - among other options.
Thus said, I hope that Marvel doesn't reveal that upcoming slate too early. It would be pretty boring to watch Infinity war already knowing that half of the characters will survive for sure.
Someone mentioned Michael Korvac - would that story work for a movie? If so, which movie?
(Bear in mind that I know extremely little about the Korvac Saga)
Oh God! Natural light!Michael Korvac would be a great foe for a Guardians sequel.
Actually, if they weren't already having the two teams meet in Infinity War, having a Guardians X Avengers crossover with Korvac as the Big Bad would be neat.
That's how they did it in Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
I'm not sure I'm fond of Korvac as a character.
I'm also in favour of pulling back the escalation after infinity war, while I like cosmic threats; I think in terms of fleshing out the MCU, earth bound issues are enjoyable.
edited 14th Jan '16 1:41:59 PM by Whowho
As someone who went in with no preconceptions let me just say that the original Korvac Saga was a bit shit.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersIt gathers two teams together only to have them be nearly irrelevant to the resolution of the threat because Korvac kills himself because Carina stops believing in him for three seconds.
And then Carina commits suicide by Thor to be with him.
And then the narrative tries to convince us that this was a great tragedy, that if only the Avengers and Guardians hadn't interfered, everything would have been great forever. Like Korvac and Carina were the victims here.
I guess lets just forget that Korvac killed the Collector and was planning on killing Eternity because.... Fate sucks??
Which is dumb but fine. What do our heroes learn from it?
Nothing. Because Moondragon wipes their minds of the resolution of the fight.
I don't want to Jim Shooter bash but he's also the one who tried to make the Absorbing Man sympathetic when he kidnapped a woman and tried to go take over a South American country. The narrative painted it like the Avengers hounding him and why couldn't they just let him go? the woman he kidnapped for 'company??' asks them.
edited 14th Jan '16 1:53:53 PM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the Avengers...Why?
Oh God! Natural light!The Secret Wars version was better(like most Secret Wars versions of crappy events turned out to be like Siege and Civil War)and Moondragon only got good once she left Earth with Phyla.
Thought I should do my Dream Movies In The MCU list since I was gone for 6 months.
These movie ideas are written as if the following things happen before the movies after Thanos gets going:
- Cap dies in either CW or IW 1 only to come back briefly in IW 2. The shield is fixed and given to someone like Falcon or Bucky.
- Thanos blows up Xandar after taking the Stone, leaving few survivors.
- Mar-Vell is in CM 1 but dies.
- Only Mantis joins in Gotg2 but Warlock shows up and joins at the end of IW 2.
- Loki dies in T 3 R or IW 2.
The dreams:
- Gotg Vol. 3: The Universal Church Of Truth seek to open a gateway into another dimension/universe which they think is Paradise. Joining the team are former Kree soldier Phyla-Vell and former UCOT believer/priestess(or slave if they don't make her a alien)Heather Douglas/Moondragon. The Magus is revealed as the big villain who comes from the other universe but dies after his plan fails and his templeships explode. Stinger is Warlock's hair briefly changing color while he's sleeping and a tiny hole opening in space.
- Nova: Shut up, it will happen someday! Before the Avengers managed to check a Xandarian ship that crashed on Earth a man went in to see if he could save the pilot. The man finds the pilot dead but a helmet speaking to him and telling him to put it on his head. Once the helmet is on he's transformed and taken into space by the Worldmind. The Worldmind and helmet were made based on data the Novas figured out by studying their Stone and was going to be their ultimate defense but Thanos attacked when only the prototype was done. Richard/Nova fights some monsters and saves some of the Xandarian survivors from a warlord that has taken over the remnants of Thanos' forces. Stinger is a ship going past the hole in space and getting pulled in by a tentacle.
- Annihilation: The Avengers in space. The gotg, Nova, Captain Marvel and maybe someone else team up to deal with the hole having grown into a gateway. Villain is a evil Mar-Vell and Magus(Warlock having turned). Ends with Warlock briefly regaining control and crashing the other universe using magic or by calling on Death. He "dies" while the others live. Stinger would be for something in CM 2/3 or DS 2/3.
- Black Widow(maybe BW: The Rose or something like that): BW fights a organization like AIM with Bucky as her sidekick, battles Yelena as the physical threat and the new leader of AIM is a computer called MODOK who renames the group MAIM(no, I'm not letting this name go). The evil plan could be something like AIM building robot doubles of people and replacing important persons with them with MODOK planning to be the next president. Yelena knows every move BW has thanks to her training in the Red Room and fighting robot copies of her every day. Stinger is Yelena escaping from a prison transport with the help of a unknown group and being offered revenge on BW with a vial of Super Serum.
- Journey Into Mystery: Loki comes back as a teen and tries to find his place in the universe while Sif is trying to not strangle the kid Thor told her to watch. Villain/antagonist would be something like the Disir out for his head, Hela out for his life or an old bird with the voice of the original Loki who wants his body.
- New Avengers: Masters of Evil: A bunch of villains team up to take over the world and get revenge. Team could look something like: Yelena, Moonstone, Hood, MODOK on a USB, Abomination, Enchantress, Radioactive Man and a Spider-Man villain like Mysterio or the Shocker and more. Stinger would be MODOK at last hacking into the Avengers computers only to be deleted by Stark's latest AI.
- Nextwave: You know you want it.
edited 14th Jan '16 2:02:35 PM by LordofLore
Moondragon is the Worst Avenger.
Also because knowing that mmblmmble korvac was JUST MISUNDERSTOOD SWEARSIES and that they very indirectly drove him to death would break the Avengers forever or something.
I think she just likes dicking with peoples minds.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersGoing by the story's YMMV page, it seems that later writers decided that Korvac wasn't all that great.
Oh God! Natural light!How did the Korvac saga go down in Secret Wars IV?
(How are we okay with there having been four secret wars now? Only one of which was a war which took place in secret)
I still want Phayla and Moondragon on the MCU GotG team so bad. I'll confess I don't know enough of Mantis to be hyped for her.
edited 14th Jan '16 2:15:02 PM by Whowho
If it wasn't for the fact that SHIELD already self destructed under its own corruption and the Avengers are supposedly dedicated to being above that shit, I'd love an adaptation of the Von Bardas Secret War arc (with or without Von Bardas herself - an arc with the heroes doing a secret mission to track down illegal sources of supertechnology and such).
It would've been an awesome story to lead up to Winter Soldier, with Fury unable to work in usual channels because SHIELD itself is somehow unable to get results, so he has to go outside of his own organization.
edited 14th Jan '16 2:19:33 PM by KnownUnknown
Its hard to tell whether later writers didn't like the Korvac Saga on its own merits or whether they just hated it because Shooter wrote it.
A lot of writers had quite a hate on for him.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersMantis doesn't really have much going for her. Her main traits are being mysterious, seeing the future but not being able to change anything, reading minds, having a small amount of sexual tension with Star Lord and being good at martial arts(mostly kicks). Oh and despite how she looks she's half vietnamese and half german(the movie will just make her a green alien like Gamora most likely).
The other three women on the Dn A era Guardians(Phyla-Vell, Heather "Moondragon" Douglas and Gamora) have way more stuff to make them interesting.
edited 14th Jan '16 2:41:16 PM by LordofLore
I mean, I'm super happy for an asian hero in the MCU; it's a really under represented demographic, and the MCU GotG are in strong need of female coded characters. But we could have had space lesbians.
I also have a fear that in the MCU she's going to amount to weak Asian representation because she's going to be an alien.
edited 14th Jan '16 2:40:11 PM by Whowho
I do appreciate the casting of Gamora though. Unlike (hypothetically) Mantis, it's the case of taking an established female alien character and saying "Sure, she can look like she's of African decent, why not."
In fact, in terms of cast, Gotg is the least white of the MCU, even if it doesn't look it to the casual eye.

I want a Vision movie with Paul Bettany basically playing Vision as Doctor Manhattan.