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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#49276: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:11:45 PM

"Oh no someone using my MO has been infiltrating top secret facilities, stealing informations, and killing people. I have to go rogue from the agency to clear my name because they'll think it was me."
"Actually I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and work with you on this."
"I'm sorry Steve, THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE TO DO MYSELF"
"Damnit, the magic words."

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49277: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:12:08 PM

Wasn't AIM already(badly) used in IM 3?

Edit:[up]Pfft. Of course by this point Steve will probably be dead... She could team up with Bucky?

edited 13th Jan '16 1:14:39 PM by LordofLore

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#49278: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:14:44 PM

Just because the company's founder was a raging lunatic doesn't mean AIM can't recover from that.

The Blog The Art
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#49279: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:16:10 PM

They'll cope in the healthiest of ways, by dressing like beekeepers

Only then will they feel some dignity with what they do

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#49280: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:17:56 PM

And by creating M.O.D.O.K. Clearly the actions of sane, rational people.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49281: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:18:14 PM

Of course, if she goes up against AIM, you know what villain she'll have to fight, right?

That's right: MODOK, baby.

[nja] dammit, you ninja'd me.

edited 13th Jan '16 1:18:27 PM by alliterator

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49282: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:19:40 PM

"Boss, why couldn't we have cooler outfits?"

"Like what?"

"Like maybe a serpent theme or maybe a color like purple or mech armor or...

"Agent Diamondback?"

"Yes sir?"

"Take this man to the gene lab and put him in a cage."

"Yes sir."

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#49283: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:20:30 PM

I actually wasn't that aware of AIM except for the general concept, but looking them up, they'd be great for a Black Widow movie- apparently Yelena Belova is actually a member. And they have a lot of comic connections that would allow for connections to AOS.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#49284: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:21:46 PM

AIM could definitely make a Black Widow movie go from Spy to Superhero Spy.

edited 13th Jan '16 1:21:57 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#49285: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:25:53 PM

Throw in a doomsday weapon or whatever and things get downright Bondy.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49286: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:28:22 PM

Sunspot bought the company a while back in the comics and is now using them for his New Avengers(which is probably the most interesting Marvel team book right now along with Ultimates and A-Force) so it's kinda interesting that they're heroic right now.

edited 13th Jan '16 1:40:29 PM by LordofLore

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#49287: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:41:26 PM

I hesitate to suggest having Widow "babysit" (presumably teenage) Amadeus Cho, but if you have AIM in her film or another MCU one, he and his mother could easily be tied into it as could Thunderbolt Ross (betraying SHIELD so he can become the Rulk).

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49288: Jan 13th 2016 at 2:01:09 PM

Hey, the reborn AIM could be called More Advanced Ideas Mechanics.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49289: Jan 13th 2016 at 2:04:22 PM

[up][up]Especially because that sort of happened in the Black Widow+Punisher cartoon film.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#49290: Jan 13th 2016 at 2:09:46 PM

Huh. Not sure what to think that my terrible idea was actually used in a film.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#49291: Jan 13th 2016 at 2:41:54 PM

Isn't the Black Widow novel that was recently released supposed to be canon to the MCU?

Maybe a future movie could be based on that.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49292: Jan 13th 2016 at 2:46:18 PM

No, I think it's a tie in to the new BW comic showing a new widow.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#49293: Jan 13th 2016 at 3:42:06 PM

"I've literally never heard this complaint until right this second. I've seen tons of criticism of the villains being bland, cartoonish, or unmemorable, but I've never seen anyone accuse them of being afraid to use actual comic book villains."

My bad. It comes from the Nostalgia Critic, I kinda assumed it was said by more people, since there are so many complain about villains being bad in these movies.

Let's see here, they use an actual comic book villain in every single movie, right, no matter if they're disappointing and bland.

Yeah, let's talk about that, shall we?

  • Iron Monger: doesn't use the armor until the very end and is never actually referred as Iron Monger in the movie. For the rest of the movie, he is just a standard businessman villain.
  • Justin Hammer: technically more a realistic villain than a supervillain, even though he was in the comic.
  • Whiplash: barely appears in costume in the movie, never is referred as Whiplash, and is essentially made just Iron Man with whips during the finale.
  • Loki: ... yeah, no complain on that one, but then again he is friggin' Loki.
  • Red Skull: no real complain about him, aside from the fact he was never used again.
  • Thanos: still not doing shit
  • The Mandarin: ... Do I REALLY need to get over this again?—'
  • Malekith: Technically comic book villain, but was reduced to a generic fantasy Evil Overlord.
  • Batroc the Leaper: made a realistic mercenary with no costume.
  • Winter Soldier: technically done well, but made the henchman of a realistic villain and turns good by the end.
  • Ronan: turned into a generic Evil Overlord.
  • Ultron: .... personal criticism aside, yeah, I guess he was made a comic book villain.
  • Yellowjacket: Technically not a villain the comic, and spends most of the movie without the suit being a corporate executive villain.

Yeah, they use a lot of comic book villains, but a lot of them tend to have a reduced role, or have what makes them supervillains largely removed so they can be more realistic. But yeah, looking back I can see I exagerated a bit.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#49294: Jan 13th 2016 at 3:45:50 PM

Does being brainwashed against his will in both the comics and the movies even qualify Bucky as a villain?

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#49295: Jan 13th 2016 at 3:47:33 PM

he's not technically a villain i guess, but i don't really care that much about the distinction.

he was a memorable antagonist in Winter Soldier and that's all that I really want from these movies.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49296: Jan 13th 2016 at 3:56:27 PM

Script for gotg vol 2 done. I really hope Mantis isn't the only new woman on the team but I'm afraid of what they would do to Phyla and Heather.

edited 13th Jan '16 3:58:38 PM by LordofLore

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#49297: Jan 13th 2016 at 3:59:25 PM

Do we know who will be playing Mantis?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49298: Jan 13th 2016 at 4:02:24 PM

Canadian actress Pom Klementieff.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49299: Jan 13th 2016 at 4:05:44 PM

We assume it's Mantis, but we have no confirmation.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#49300: Jan 13th 2016 at 4:13:45 PM

I mean in fairness most of the heroes also spend loads of time out of costume? No one's "on" 100% of the time.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

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