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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#49126: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:11:23 PM

He used the alliterative name model because he wanted the names to be easier to remember.

So.... Irony.

edited 11th Jan '16 6:12:00 PM by MousaThe14

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#49127: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:12:04 PM

Looks like he failed on that one, then.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#49128: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:13:54 PM

From what I've read it seems like Lee's sins are more akin to inaction and refusal to redirect credit where it's due, than active fraud as some have accused him of. As far as I'm aware there haven't been cases of him trying to take credit for the creation of things he wasn't actually involved in, like Namor who was Bill Everett, or Captain America who he wrote for but was Joe Simon's baby.

edited 11th Jan '16 6:16:05 PM by AlleyOop

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#49129: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:17:28 PM

He's better than Thomas Edison then.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49130: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:18:23 PM

One instance like that is when the X-Men movies came out, he took a lot of credit for Magneto and talked about how he thought it was important to have a more human, relatable villain who was mad about something tangible like racism. While he did create Magneto, Lee's Magneto was a generic tyrant, and all the stuff about him being a Well-Intentioned Extremist who was mad about racism was added by later writers.

edited 11th Jan '16 6:20:52 PM by comicwriter

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49131: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:18:38 PM

[up][up][up] Pretty much. Stan was quick to credit other people in the comics (he even changed the FF's credits so that it showed him and Kirby as co-writers), but Lee was also wary of doing anything to jeopardize his job. Which included asking for more money for Kirby or a better contract or any of the creator's having any ownership in the characters they created.

This might have stemmed from the fact that when he was the head of Timely Comics, he was basically forced to fire pretty much the entire staff, writers and artists. He was later able to rehire them, but that probably stuck with him.

edited 11th Jan '16 6:20:26 PM by alliterator

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#49132: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:20:58 PM

[up][up][up]Well, it's not exactly difficult to be better than Edison. He was one of the biggest jackasses in American history. tongue

edited 11th Jan '16 6:21:10 PM by Anomalocaris20

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#49133: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:21:32 PM

I can't believe I used to like Edison as a kid. Tesla forever, Edison never!

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49134: Jan 11th 2016 at 6:22:22 PM

Yeah. I mean, Edison once killed an elephant in order to fuck over Tesla. What the hell, man?

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#49135: Jan 11th 2016 at 7:00:58 PM

Some sure thing is that the "Cast Herd" trope will be present

  • Team Iron Man.
  • Team America.
  • Team Thor
  • New heroes.
  • Love Interests and friends.(As Minor characters)
  • Team Nick Fury.
  • Team Thanos
  • Team Loki
  • Guardians of the Galaxy.
  • Nova Corps.
  • Team Magus.
  • Inhumans.
  • Defenders

edited 11th Jan '16 7:15:02 PM by dantecito

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#49136: Jan 11th 2016 at 7:03:28 PM

The Infinity War movies are 66 heroes attacking Thanos and getting roflstomped by him until the end.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#49138: Jan 11th 2016 at 7:25:00 PM

You must remember that are 67 characters in general.

So that includes love interests, friends and other villains.

So don't will be Thanos vs 66 heroes.

edited 11th Jan '16 7:27:13 PM by dantecito

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#49139: Jan 11th 2016 at 7:39:56 PM

You mean we won't see Dr. Selvig leaping toward Thanos in that shot?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49140: Jan 11th 2016 at 7:47:59 PM

Luis turns out to be the one who takes down Thanos. Then he goes to get some waffles.

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#49141: Jan 11th 2016 at 7:51:07 PM

Is Luis the marvel version of one punch man?

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#49142: Jan 11th 2016 at 7:52:14 PM

He's Juan Punch Man.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49143: Jan 11th 2016 at 8:16:53 PM

Some interesting character stuff from the Russo brothers.

"Everything is finite, right? Nothing can last forever," Joe Russo began to explain. "It's cyclical. Some New Avengers in phase 4 are going to become prominent and then maybe some Avengers might not be around anymore. So, we'll see how all this plays out but you have to treat every character with respect. I think it's interesting that if you've seen four or five movies with the lead character having an arc, I want to see some story telling from some of the secondary characters. We're focusing on that right now with Infinity War while we're breaking into those movies, is which characters can we pull to the forefront who potentially haven't had their own 'A' story arc to this point. I think you'll see that the supporting Avengers are going to become primary Avengers."

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#49144: Jan 11th 2016 at 8:19:23 PM

Yes, awesome. That is what I want to see.

Actually, what I want to see is Squirrel Girl beat Thanos. Now that would be awesome.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#49145: Jan 11th 2016 at 9:50:22 PM

So, my 68 year old mother wants a Black Widow movie like yesterday. Everything she's seen of Natasha in the MCU has made Mom desperate to know more about her. She also says she can easily see spin-offs for Barton and Sam. Which I agree would be awesome.

That led to a discussion about the industry's ('cause it's not just Marvel) general failure to market their female heroes/protagonists and potential reasons for it, and she just shook her head and said "They're making a big mistake." Bless you, Mom.

Also curse you, for making me want a Falcon movie. Because really; what are the odds Marvel would give us Black Panther and Falcon (each in their own movies)?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#49146: Jan 11th 2016 at 9:59:41 PM

Well, I have been enjoying Sam's stint as Captain America in Al Ewing's Mighty Avengers and Nick Spencer's Captain America: Sam Wilson.

But those deal a lot with Sam as Cap, which a Falcon movie wouldn't be doing (plus Mighty Avengers is a team book, with ample focus on Luke Cage, Monica Rambeau, Blue Marvel, White Tiger, Power Man, etc., but nonetheless).

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#49148: Jan 12th 2016 at 7:22:34 AM

I don't want Falcon as Captain America, but I would so watch a Falcon movie!

Glad that the issue with the director is solved. Now the next big question is: Who will get Captain Marvel?

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#49149: Jan 12th 2016 at 7:24:38 AM

I wish we could make a comeback to longer films. If you're going to go watch a movie, chances are you've already got a sizeable hole in your schedule to begin with. People tend to bring up Return of the King as a counterpoint, but again that movie wasn't actually much longer than the other two, and its real problem was the pacing of the various ends.

In today's busy world, 5 to 9 consecutive hours of uninterrupted free time (not counting all the pauses to get snacks, go to the restroom, chat about what happened, etc.) is really hard to come by. There's a reason TV shows are split into episodes and video games have saves.

And that's just at home. A theatrical release of a 5 to 9 hour film would be a disaster in today's society. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Stan Lee really hasn't "actively" worked at Marvel for about twenty years. After he stopped being their publisher in 1996, he hasn't really "worked" for Marvel other than as a kind of figurehead.

He's Marvel's Queen of England. He's really only there anymore to smile and look pretty, but nobody minds because everyone loves him.

edited 12th Jan '16 7:24:53 AM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#49150: Jan 12th 2016 at 7:25:18 AM

I wonder if they're already talking to directors about her. Should be interesting.


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