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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48976: Jan 8th 2016 at 12:44:05 PM

The Russos talk about where Cap and the Avengers stand at the start of Civil War.

"We like to say that the amount of time that has passed in between films is the amount of time that has passed in the movies. So, it's about that amount time. We find Cap leading the Avengers. He's tutoring or mentoring Scarlet Witch in the beginning of the movie and bringing her into the fold. We find them on a mission at the start of the film. The effect that Ultron has had on everyone certainly is central to the storytelling of the movie. It's very strong. We're dealing with issues of collateral damage, imperialism, what rights do super heroes have to pursue villains across borders. It's very politically minded. Cap's dealing with all of that at the beginning.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48977: Jan 8th 2016 at 2:19:08 PM

We find them on a mission at the start of the film.

I wonder if we're going to get another Batroc-esque supervillain cameo.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#48978: Jan 8th 2016 at 2:21:48 PM

Armless Tiger Man or bust.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#48979: Jan 8th 2016 at 2:40:21 PM

Armless Tiger Man for Big Bad of Avengers 4.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#48981: Jan 8th 2016 at 2:53:40 PM

Something Something BALL OF ARMS MAN!

edited 8th Jan '16 2:53:51 PM by ultimatepheer

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48982: Jan 8th 2016 at 3:51:27 PM

I bet it starts with them going up against Crossbones....

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#48983: Jan 8th 2016 at 4:24:14 PM

Something Something BALL OF ARMS MAN!
His arch-enemy is Arm Fall Off Boy.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#48984: Jan 8th 2016 at 4:42:04 PM

I do worry about how they'd use The Enchantress, Lorelei's use on SHEILD rather exposed a big issue, some people don't seem to get that a mind controller using mind control or a person and having them have sex with them is rape.

I'd really like to not have another instance of mind control rape being ignored occurs in the MCU, hopefully Jessica Jones has made the point to the people behind the MCU that mind controlled sex is rape, but if the message didn't get though we could end up with a mind control victim being made out to be at fault for being mind controlled into having sex with someone, again.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48985: Jan 8th 2016 at 4:46:37 PM

The Enchantress and Lorelei have completely different powers so don't worry dude, that situation isn't going to come up again.

edited 8th Jan '16 4:47:57 PM by VeryMelon

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#48986: Jan 8th 2016 at 4:51:59 PM

How about have Natalie Dormer as the Enchantress and make it so that Private Loraine is not just a case of You Look Familiar- it's actually one of her cover identities while on Earth.

I'd also throw into that this fan theory/joke I read to the effect that Private Loraine is behind that awful Captain America radio drama.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48987: Jan 8th 2016 at 5:03:12 PM

The Russos talk a little bit about Spider-Man.

] "It was also important to us that the actor that was cast feel contemporary because the other films that portrayed where he lived is more... they honored the comic books in terms of the choices," he continues. "But you go look at the home that Tobey Maguire lived in in Raimi’s Spider-Man was... those were very expensive homes. We wanted to relate it to the reality. A character growing up with his aunt in New York, a single income family… Where would they live? What would that look like? Where could they afford to live? We asked ourselves all those questions. We try to take a very logical and realistic and naturalistic approach to the character."

That all makes sense, especially as the comics typically portrayed Peter as coming from a hard working, but very poor background (pretty much everything he did as a youngster was to help his Aunt May pay the bills). Does this mean that we'll no longer see him and May living in a cushy house in Queens? It certainly sounds that way, and Anthony then went on to address how they're going about fitting this new version of Spider-Man into the MCU. "We're bringing Spider-Man into the movie in that universe, now, in that specific tonal stylistic world. I think underscoring everything Joe was saying about your question in terms of how were we thinking about the character in relation to past interpretations of the character, part of our choices were all so colored by the specifics of the world what we were playing in with these two Captain America movies, meaning Winter Soldier and Civil War. It's a very specific tonal world. It's a little more grounded and a little more hard-core contemporary. That was also coloring our choices a lot about the character on Spider-Man."

"We're not trying to denigrate other interpretations of Spider-Man," he adds. "Raimi's movies are fantastic. Spider-Man one and two are amazing. Two, is one of if not my favorite comic book movie of all time. But he made a very strong choice with those movies from a color palate standpoint to a costume standpoint, execution standpoint, camerawork standpoint to honor the feeling of the comic book. We're trying to honor the feeling of naturalism and to honor the feeling of reality. The harder we can pull these characters into reality, the better for us, especially because we're all so connected now through social media, the Internet. We're all so dialed in to what's happening in current events. That it's important for us that these characters live in the world that we live in because it makes them more real and it makes our experience of watching them more passionate and more well-rounded."

And if this is to be believed we may be getting the first look at Spider-Man next week, possibly via some merchandise.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48989: Jan 8th 2016 at 5:16:24 PM

It's telling how Raimi's Spider-Man is getting all the love in that article from the new producer but there's no mention of the Amazing series.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#48990: Jan 8th 2016 at 5:23:11 PM

Awww

The first one was good and the second had... good bits.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48991: Jan 8th 2016 at 5:23:19 PM

Spider-man 1 and 2 are game changer movies and as such they will always be hold on a high pedestal by those who experienced the game-changing moment.

What he is saying about creating a more realistic environment is exactly what they tried with TAS - that the studio interfered and tried to make TAS 2 more like the outdated first take was what caused the tonal mess which ruined a series with a lot of potential.

But no one at Marvel who knows how to manage fans will mention TAS.

edited 8th Jan '16 5:24:42 PM by Swanpride

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48992: Jan 8th 2016 at 6:13:13 PM

We're dealing with issues of collateral damage, imperialism, what rights do super heroes have to pursue villains across borders.

Glad that it's something they've taken into consideration. It's definitely something that Tony's been criticized for, albeit it usually comes with too much Ron the Death Eater to take seriously.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#48993: Jan 8th 2016 at 6:34:45 PM

I wonder if the Imperialism thing has to do with Black Panther's part in this.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48994: Jan 8th 2016 at 7:13:56 PM

One of the plot points in the Ultimate Universe is that some people were wary of a team like the Avengers because if they ever decided to invade someone's country, nobody could possibly stop them.

People in the international community are likely wary of the balance of power being so heavily in America's favor.

edited 8th Jan '16 7:29:22 PM by comicwriter

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#48995: Jan 8th 2016 at 10:21:21 PM

Three of the most powerful members aren't American (Thor, Vision, Scarlet Witch), and a fourth (Hulk) isn't exactly known for marching to Uncle Sam's drum.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#48996: Jan 8th 2016 at 10:23:02 PM

Two of those are currently gone, and the team as a whole is lead by Captain America, in addition to having (assuming nothing's changed on that front) at least one U.S. military agent in the form of War Machine and being based out of New York. It's still a team skewed heavily in favor of the U.S. and its interests, or at least the rest of the world could easily see it that way.

edited 8th Jan '16 10:28:14 PM by Khfan429

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#48997: Jan 8th 2016 at 10:32:04 PM

Hulk smash puny drum, not march.

Anyway, if the other nations feel threatened by America's superhumans, maybe they should just step up their game, yeah? Leave their researchers in range of gamma bomb detonations, try injecting random chemicals into their scrawniest soldiers, ect. tongue

edited 8th Jan '16 10:33:37 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48998: Jan 8th 2016 at 11:48:41 PM

[up][up][up] Hulk does run around making people pay their taxes.

I love Marvel Adventures

edited 8th Jan '16 11:50:12 PM by KnownUnknown

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#48999: Jan 9th 2016 at 2:43:10 AM

So, if the first look at Spider Man will be a hoodie, does that mean the hoodie will have a picture of the movie Spider Man printed on it, or is the hoodie just themed after Spider Man, like this?

edited 9th Jan '16 2:45:48 AM by edvedd

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nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#49000: Jan 9th 2016 at 7:44:32 AM

[up]I would like to see Spidey's costume represent what a kid like Peter Parker can afford (something like what Matt Murdoch threw together off the internet in Season 1 of Daredevil), instead of the familiar 616 number masterfully woven together from some kind of flexible polymer. That can perhaps come later.


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