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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Given that they've been willing to just blatantly switch actors without any story explanation whatsoever, there's no reason they couldn't do that with the Red Skull.
They could have a story element to explain the change in appearance (aging, switching bodies, affected by cosmic energies, etc.), but none of that is really necessary when it comes down to it.
Voices, the prosthetic would have to fit on a different head differently, effectively they'd have to make a brand new one. The head shape would definitely turn out differently...
It's going to matter. The only way it could not matter is if Red Skull's face was originally something intractable like a helmet or a mask rather than being his actual face.
The Blog The ArtI honestly don't think that the majority of the audience would notice a few changes as long as they are not too obvious. I mean, I didn't even notice that they redesigned the Hulk for The Avengers, and that was pretty obvious. But since I only remembered "green with black hair", I only realized it after seeing a youtube video which included both versions.
Granted, I didn't notice that they recast war machine either....
I just don't think that Hugo Weaving left enough of an impression in the role that people would care, and with the mask, it is even more unlikely that the majority would realize. They most likely only remember "red scull" and not the exact features.
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And to the average audience member, none of that matters in the long run if the new actor can put on a solid performance. People accepted a new Hulk and a new War Machine, even though the actors were replaced without any in-story justification.
In fact I'd go as far as to say that if they were to recast the Red Skull and put him in Civil War, only a minority of the audience members will even realize the Red Skull was recast at all, at least on a conscious level. Even if the new Red Skull makes little effort to mimic Hugo Weaving's mannerisms.
edited 8th Jan '16 8:36:10 AM by Falrinn
Ah, the fandom's much-anticipated return of the Red Skull. Because if there's anything the MCU needs, it's more one-dimensional Literal Nazi villains without an ounce of substance.
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Im kind of with you on this one.
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That is true. I'm just weird because I like movie stuff and will always be looking out to see if I notice things. I just wanted to note that there would be a difference
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And while I know we've talked about this before I can't help but feel instinctually disturbed by the fact you didn't notice Rhodey's actor changed.
edited 8th Jan '16 8:39:21 AM by MousaThe14
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If it makes you feel better I didn't notice the change of ...blond warrior guy???? in Thor either. Rhodey at least I did notice once I watched the Iron man movie back to back. For Thor, someone had to tell me that this is a different actor.
I simply have a bad memory for faces...and names.
edited 8th Jan '16 8:58:27 AM by Swanpride
I don't think the Red Skull's absence has much to do with Hugo Weaving not wanting to return. He's the easiest character in the world to Other Darrin. He already has a deformed face that renders the original actor unrecognizable, and the comics have at least several prominent instances of him concocting fake identities (complete with elaborate masks that make him look like someone else) or outright getting new bodies via cloning or Brain Uploading.
The lack of Red Skull is I think them just wanting to use other characters instead of retreading the same ground over and over. The X-Men films had this problem where they kept reusing fucking Magneto over an over (even though he is an interesting villain) when they had a rich rogues gallery at their disposal. I'm happy we've gotten other villains like Zemo in his stead.
@Swanpride, it kind of doesn't because they did good enough job with Faendral's actors that you have to really pay attention to notice a difference. I noticed but that's because I'm that horrible type of person that pays attention to those kinds of things. Don Cheadle is like many many shades darker than Terrance Howard and that's just at a glance.
Alright, fine I get it, I'm the only idiot in the world that notices when actors change, God!
edited 8th Jan '16 9:27:33 AM by MousaThe14
The Blog The ArtDo recall that there's a wider audience for the MCU than here on TVT. What's obvious to those who are intimately familiar with the source material, contracting issues, and so forth may not be obvious to J. Random Moviegoer.
edited 8th Jan '16 10:57:29 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to TrumpI didn't notice that one actor is a darker shade of black than the other...when I noticed, I did because one is differently built, one stocky the other lithe.
I might have noticed earlier if I actually cared about war machine...but I never did. Of all the heroes, he is the one I wouldn't miss at all. I am pretty sure that I would notice it if they replaced any of the other actors for the Avengers, but I am not sure if I would notice yet another war machine...I still don't care about the character...
While Inhumans certainly won't tie-in, I guess they will have to acknowledge in the movies that there are a number of Inhumans running around on earth.
edited 8th Jan '16 11:29:56 AM by Swanpride

Perhaps a scene where an old and withered Hugo Weaving (because the Red Skull was teleported through space, but still aged in real time) transfers his consciousness into a brand new body?