TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#48951: Jan 7th 2016 at 9:13:18 PM

Perhaps a scene where an old and withered Hugo Weaving (because the Red Skull was teleported through space, but still aged in real time) transfers his consciousness into a brand new body?

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#48952: Jan 8th 2016 at 5:49:20 AM

Given that they've been willing to just blatantly switch actors without any story explanation whatsoever, there's no reason they couldn't do that with the Red Skull.

They could have a story element to explain the change in appearance (aging, switching bodies, affected by cosmic energies, etc.), but none of that is really necessary when it comes down to it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48953: Jan 8th 2016 at 6:36:54 AM

Would anyone notice with the mask either way?

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#48954: Jan 8th 2016 at 6:56:41 AM

Voices, the prosthetic would have to fit on a different head differently, effectively they'd have to make a brand new one. The head shape would definitely turn out differently...

It's going to matter. The only way it could not matter is if Red Skull's face was originally something intractable like a helmet or a mask rather than being his actual face.

The Blog The Art
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48955: Jan 8th 2016 at 7:53:09 AM

I honestly don't think that the majority of the audience would notice a few changes as long as they are not too obvious. I mean, I didn't even notice that they redesigned the Hulk for The Avengers, and that was pretty obvious. But since I only remembered "green with black hair", I only realized it after seeing a youtube video which included both versions.

Granted, I didn't notice that they recast war machine either....

I just don't think that Hugo Weaving left enough of an impression in the role that people would care, and with the mask, it is even more unlikely that the majority would realize. They most likely only remember "red scull" and not the exact features.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#48956: Jan 8th 2016 at 8:33:45 AM

[up][up] And to the average audience member, none of that matters in the long run if the new actor can put on a solid performance. People accepted a new Hulk and a new War Machine, even though the actors were replaced without any in-story justification.

In fact I'd go as far as to say that if they were to recast the Red Skull and put him in Civil War, only a minority of the audience members will even realize the Red Skull was recast at all, at least on a conscious level. Even if the new Red Skull makes little effort to mimic Hugo Weaving's mannerisms.

edited 8th Jan '16 8:36:10 AM by Falrinn

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#48957: Jan 8th 2016 at 8:36:11 AM

Ah, the fandom's much-anticipated return of the Red Skull. Because if there's anything the MCU needs, it's more one-dimensional Literal Nazi villains without an ounce of substance.

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#48958: Jan 8th 2016 at 8:37:40 AM

[up]Im kind of with you on this one.

[up][up]That is true. I'm just weird because I like movie stuff and will always be looking out to see if I notice things. I just wanted to note that there would be a difference

[up][up][up]And while I know we've talked about this before I can't help but feel instinctually disturbed by the fact you didn't notice Rhodey's actor changed.

edited 8th Jan '16 8:39:21 AM by MousaThe14

The Blog The Art
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48959: Jan 8th 2016 at 8:57:45 AM

[up]If it makes you feel better I didn't notice the change of ...blond warrior guy???? in Thor either. Rhodey at least I did notice once I watched the Iron man movie back to back. For Thor, someone had to tell me that this is a different actor.

I simply have a bad memory for faces...and names.

edited 8th Jan '16 8:58:27 AM by Swanpride

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48960: Jan 8th 2016 at 9:02:12 AM

[up][up][up]At least he was charming enough to be entertaining.

edited 8th Jan '16 9:03:34 AM by nervmeister

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48961: Jan 8th 2016 at 9:04:32 AM

I don't think the Red Skull's absence has much to do with Hugo Weaving not wanting to return. He's the easiest character in the world to Other Darrin. He already has a deformed face that renders the original actor unrecognizable, and the comics have at least several prominent instances of him concocting fake identities (complete with elaborate masks that make him look like someone else) or outright getting new bodies via cloning or Brain Uploading.

The lack of Red Skull is I think them just wanting to use other characters instead of retreading the same ground over and over. The X-Men films had this problem where they kept reusing fucking Magneto over an over (even though he is an interesting villain) when they had a rich rogues gallery at their disposal. I'm happy we've gotten other villains like Zemo in his stead.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#48962: Jan 8th 2016 at 9:21:10 AM

Count me as another one that thinks most people won't notice the casting change. I'm a huge fan of the movies and I didn't even realize Banner, Rhodey, and blond guy had been switched until it was pointed out to me.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#48963: Jan 8th 2016 at 9:25:11 AM

@Swanpride, it kind of doesn't because they did good enough job with Faendral's actors that you have to really pay attention to notice a difference. I noticed but that's because I'm that horrible type of person that pays attention to those kinds of things. Don Cheadle is like many many shades darker than Terrance Howard and that's just at a glance.

[up]Alright, fine I get it, I'm the only idiot in the world that notices when actors change, God!

edited 8th Jan '16 9:27:33 AM by MousaThe14

The Blog The Art
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48964: Jan 8th 2016 at 9:28:57 AM

I couldn't tell Fandral had changed actors, but Bruce and Rhodey were very obvious to me.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#48965: Jan 8th 2016 at 9:29:32 AM

Don't worry, you're not the only one. It's really surprising to me that anyone didn't notice. Fandral is one thing, the actors at least looked similar/it was a comparatively minor character. But I don't see much resemblance at all between Howard and Cheadle, or Norton and Ruffalo.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48966: Jan 8th 2016 at 9:43:18 AM

[up][up]It helps that Fandral's role in the sequel is a glorified cameo.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#48968: Jan 8th 2016 at 9:47:05 AM

Having villains die isn't the issue, the issue is that no villains return (save Loki) one film isn't enough to make any of the villains have what we enjoy about the heroes: permanence and expectation of what might happen in the future with them.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#48969: Jan 8th 2016 at 9:54:36 AM

That is true but the MCU can't go forever. We can only have so many movies with these characters. I'd prefer it if they tried to incorporate as many villains as possible instead of using the same few people over and over again.

edited 8th Jan '16 9:54:47 AM by Kostya

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48971: Jan 8th 2016 at 10:21:04 AM

That's one of the bigger "no duhs" I've seen in a while, Gregg.

edited 8th Jan '16 10:21:17 AM by VeryMelon

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#48972: Jan 8th 2016 at 10:57:02 AM

Do recall that there's a wider audience for the MCU than here on TVT. What's obvious to those who are intimately familiar with the source material, contracting issues, and so forth may not be obvious to J. Random Moviegoer.

edited 8th Jan '16 10:57:29 AM by Nohbody

All your safe space are belong to Trump
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48973: Jan 8th 2016 at 11:06:33 AM

We all know that. Doesn't mean we can't comment in the fashion we've done.

edited 8th Jan '16 11:06:50 AM by VeryMelon

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48974: Jan 8th 2016 at 11:28:29 AM

I didn't notice that one actor is a darker shade of black than the other...when I noticed, I did because one is differently built, one stocky the other lithe.

I might have noticed earlier if I actually cared about war machine...but I never did. Of all the heroes, he is the one I wouldn't miss at all. I am pretty sure that I would notice it if they replaced any of the other actors for the Avengers, but I am not sure if I would notice yet another war machine...I still don't care about the character...

While Inhumans certainly won't tie-in, I guess they will have to acknowledge in the movies that there are a number of Inhumans running around on earth.

edited 8th Jan '16 11:29:56 AM by Swanpride

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#48975: Jan 8th 2016 at 11:31:16 AM

I probably didn't notice because I hadn't seen Iron Man 1 or Incredible Hulk recently. Fandrul is a bit weirder since I watched Thor 1 a few days before. I'm guessing he wasn't important enough for me to pay close attention.


Total posts: 186,763
Top