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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#48801: Dec 30th 2015 at 8:45:34 PM

Comic Malekith is more of an unhinged, Joker-like entity. Which is why the stoic, comically-serious version of him in the MCU is a total letdown.

Would have been nice if he was Mr. Grouchypants for the first part of the film but went total nutso after eating the Aether. Would also show that even people strong-willed enough to use an Infinity Stone without some external control medium (The Universal Weapon or Infinity Gauntlet) still suffer severe consequences, be it physical or mental.

Anyway, I don't really hate Natalie Portman or Jane. I just find her kinda boring, she mostly exists as Thor's shallow love interest and doesn't really have much characterization beyond that. Darcy and Selvig are much more entertaining and engaging as characters, and the latter is more useful for explaining the science and killing Malekith than Jane is anyway so she winds up feeling like a superfluous Romantic Plot Tumor.

edited 30th Dec '15 8:47:31 PM by Anomalocaris20

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#48802: Dec 30th 2015 at 11:20:30 PM

It really bugged me that they didn't go the Noble Demon, Face–Heel Turn, Redemption Equals Death way with Kurse. I still haven't quite gotten over how much they totally wasted the character, especially since the movie lent itself to that kind of plotline (which would've given the villains some much needed development) anyway.

Do their fields differ at all?

I'm not sure. They're both The Professor. What Loki has Selvig doing in Avengers, and much of what Jane does and understands in Thor 2, doesn't have much to do with what they were studying in the first film.

I'd say if it's even vaguely related to astrophysics, they can finagle Selvig and Jane doing it.

edited 31st Dec '15 1:54:29 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48803: Dec 31st 2015 at 1:49:01 AM

I don't hate her (though Natalie Portman is an actress who does really nothing for me..she doesn't annoy me, but she also never adds anything to the roles she plays, she is just there), but she is so badly written, you could remove her from the first two movies and it would barely make any difference. I still think that her role in the first two movies would have worked better without Selvig in the picture.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#48804: Dec 31st 2015 at 7:20:21 AM

I don't have anything against Portman or Jane, but I don't think Jane-as-Thor would work in the MCU. MCU Jane is just way too meek for it to work.

Someone earlier suggested that it could easily be solved by having a different actress play her when she turns into Thor (or just in general). The biggest problem is that they introduced Jane in such an annoying manner that I don't think anyone would actually want to see her as a superhero.

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#48805: Dec 31st 2015 at 8:10:36 AM

[up]Yeah. The depowering of Thor and rise of "Fosterdottir" felt kind of.....forced. So seeing the same thing happen in the MCU would be sort of a letdown.....UNLESS it's Gwendolyn Christie permanently replacing Portman (as in Shapeshifter Mode Lock) like I suggested, because she has the presence and charm to make that sort of role work in spades.

edited 31st Dec '15 8:38:59 AM by nervmeister

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#48807: Dec 31st 2015 at 2:40:23 PM

[up]That's all I really need. Emotional conflict, tensions running, high, government oversight, Zemo, bladda bladda yadd ayadda, who cares, WE DEMAND ANT-MAN ON AN ARROW!

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48808: Dec 31st 2015 at 4:14:12 PM

Ryan Coogler officially directing Black Panther. Awesome! Edit: Wait nevermind, he's just in negotiations.

I wonder if he's confirmed whether we'll be seeing Michael B. Jordan show up.

edited 31st Dec '15 6:57:44 PM by AlleyOop

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#48809: Dec 31st 2015 at 7:59:57 PM

I don't know, one website is saying that it's confirmed that Coogler will direct, while Variety says he's just in talks.

But in any case: awesome. I heard both Fruitvale Station and Creed were great and Coogler has shown he can helm a big budget movie sequel (which, you know, Creed was).

Calling it now, Michael B. Jordan will be Killmonger.

edited 31st Dec '15 8:01:15 PM by alliterator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48810: Dec 31st 2015 at 8:04:11 PM

[up]Well, look for the source....honestly, if it is not announced by Marvel personally, it's most likely just a rumour.

Happy New Year btw.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#48811: Jan 1st 2016 at 6:38:59 AM

Ryan Coogler has been in the ol' rumor mill for a few weeks.

And Cate Blanchett was rumored for Thor, and Kurt Russell for Guardians 2. There are a lot of rumors basically.

edited 1st Jan '16 6:40:16 AM by edvedd

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#48812: Jan 3rd 2016 at 6:40:13 PM

Wow, this thread has been pretty quiet.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#48813: Jan 3rd 2016 at 6:44:48 PM

I guess there isn't much news. Or not much to speculate on. Or controversy to consider. Or, I dunno, anything.

I'm not surprised we've apparently exhausted some interesting or fresh conversation topics, just disappointed.

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#48814: Jan 3rd 2016 at 7:07:54 PM

Subject of discussion:

Is T'Challa Team Edward or Team Jacob?

edited 3rd Jan '16 7:08:03 PM by Eagal

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#48815: Jan 3rd 2016 at 7:16:52 PM

[up]Team Wakanda.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#48816: Jan 3rd 2016 at 7:19:25 PM

T'challa actually has taste, so he wouldn't even touch Twilight.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#48817: Jan 3rd 2016 at 7:33:57 PM

Well, there'll probably be a new Civil War trailer soon-ish, and other Phase 3 stuff at Comic Con.

But yeah, nothing worth mentioning. It's too early in the year.

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yellowturtle from Nowhere Important Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#48819: Jan 3rd 2016 at 8:57:16 PM

[up][up][up]What superheroes would even touch Twilight? Maybe DD, if only because he can't see the cover and confuses the book with something that isn't trash, but other than that...

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#48820: Jan 3rd 2016 at 9:02:51 PM

I'm willing to bet Deadpool, Spidey, and Iron-Man have read or seen at least one of the books or movies. If only for the potential to make jokes.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#48821: Jan 3rd 2016 at 9:04:21 PM

Kilgrave has read Twilight and wonders why everyone hates it so much. What's wrong with being superior to everyone and entrancing your loves?

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#48822: Jan 3rd 2016 at 9:08:16 PM

[up][up]Now I want to see Peter, Deadpool, and Tony all sit down together and give Twilight the MST 3 K treatment.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#48823: Jan 4th 2016 at 2:56:44 AM

Actually, not a direct example, but I distinctly remember Deadpool's succubus wife reading Twilight little time after their wedding. Considering she knew Dracula personally, her reaction was just as funny as you'd expect.

edited 4th Jan '16 2:57:02 AM by Theokal3

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#48824: Jan 4th 2016 at 6:20:05 AM

So... seeing as vampires are a thing that verifiably exists in the Marvel universe, would that make 616!Stephanie Meyer an even bigger Cloudcuckoolander for writing such factually inaccurate versions of them?

edited 4th Jan '16 6:21:17 AM by spashthebandragon

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#48825: Jan 4th 2016 at 6:23:03 AM

It would make her a culturally insensitive arch-racist who can't be bothered to research the people she writes about.


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